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“Once is chance, twice is coincidence, three times is a pattern”.
Alternatively…
“If I had a nickel for every Boeing whistle-blower that turned up dead recently, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it’s happened twice, right?”
A former quality auditor at Boeing supplier Spirit AeroSystems who turned whistleblower has died after a sudden illness, his family announced on Tuesday.
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Dean’s sudden death at the age of 45 was announced by his aunt and sister on social media on Tuesday. His mother wrote on Facebook that he had contracted pneumonia in April and suffered a stroke following an MSRA infection.
Let’s not turn into QAnon level conspiracy fuckwits here. He died of a natural illness as confirmed by his mother, and his family probably don’t want to have to deal with seeing everyone bringing him up in some deep state corpo assassination conspiracy bullshit.
You can hate Boeing for their shitty capitalist practices with resorting to this.
Agreed. It really looks like they only killed the one whistle blower.
Yea. That first one was so obvious there’s no way there’s a way to kill someone and fool their mother. Case closed I’m satisfied…
That’s well within safe levels of whistleblowers turning up dead at the hands of a major defence contractor.
I think the real take away is that there are so many people willing to speak out against Boeing’s procedures that odds are some are going to die before the conclusion of this investigation.
Imma need a dissertation on the probabilities here.
Source:
Okay, but in the interest of not pretending that They Would Never™ can we all agree that if a THIRD whistleblower dies shortly before or during testimony that maybe something is happening here? You have the guy who committed suicide in the middle of depositions after telling his friend “If I commit suicide, no I absolutely did not” and now the healthy 45 year old who all of a sudden has multiple infections and a stroke. Is there a point at which you’d accept the idea that it’s a bit beyond coincidence that the deadliest place in the world seems to be the witness stand at a trial where Boeing is the defendant?
Didn’t the first guy’s family talk about how he was depressed out of his mind and barely knew the woman who made those claims?
You can blame Boeing for abusing and causing mental and ultimately physical deterioration of their QA staff. You can’t blame them for faking suicide or giving someone pneumonia.
I still personally think that criminal charges need to be filed against their managers or coworkers, even if it’s not for murder.
I’m just trying to establish conditions by which we all might agree that this is worth looking into before they happen. It’s easy to try to play connect the dots with the stars, there are a bunch of them already and you can just ignore the ones that don’t make the picture you want. I’m trying to add predictions to this theory in the name of the scientific method - if another whistleblower dies before his testimony is complete, that will be beyond what I can dismiss as coincidence.
You can give people infections on purpose. If he had died of a genetic heart defect it would be different.
I like how you imply qa anon leaps and obvious deductive powers are the same.
Obvious deductive powers like not reading the article? Or do you think his mum was in on it too?
This article headline is written to push people to a conclusion. If it had simply added the word “illness” most people would not be “deducting” shit. It’s media manipulation to generate clicks and you’re falling for it.
This article headline is written to push people to a conclusion.
Yes, the source article is from Newsweek, which is about as trustworthy as Boeing.
This article headline is written to push people to a conclusion.
This is becoming distressingly common.
Because it works.
Way to miss my point.
Explain your point.
Deducing from headlines and circumstances while ignoring crucial information is exactly what QAnon does
Thinking it’s possible a seedy thing happened =/= making up reams of bullshit based on a number in the background but sure everyone who disagrees with you is qanon
I intended to make it more like a cautionary tale. QAnon can happen to the best of us, and seedy thoughts that still consider that it was an illness for a while are sort of an entry point to the thought pattern behind conspiracy theories. If one builds tolerance to this kind of leap, it’ll be easier to build tolerance for much bigger leaps.
QAnon can happen to the best of us,
I don’t agree. It happens to vulnerable people. And it’s not like a disease you can catch if you’re not vigilant. There are many steps to becoming bat shit, and wondering if a specific corporation would kill a person isn’t something I’m willing to avoid because next thing I know I’d be trying to hang the vice president.
Everyone is vulnerable in one way or another. Of course, wondering is natural, but seriously accepting it, as some in this thread have done, is a QAnon kind of leap.
some
Technically accurate that some have done that, but an exaggeration to consider it a trend
wondering if a specific corporation would kill a person
You have to realize how your first post came off. The poster you responded to clearly was talking about the people claiming Boeing did it. Of which there are plenty of this thread.
You then jumped in and said this wasn’t conspiracy nonsense, but the result of “obvious deductive powers.”
This did not come off as merely “wondering” or considering it a possibility, but as if you were saying it was an obvious fact.
I’m not even sure how to interpret that comment in relation to what you’re saying now.
What I remember seeing was people making implications and jokes. People don’t always mean things 100% literally. I doubt there are all that many people totally convinced it was Boeing, but some of you are acting like that is the case. I disagree, that is all
Ps deductive reasoning doesn’t mean “I know it for a fact”
There’s no rest for Agent 747
The Seattle Times wrote that Dean “had been in good health and was noted for having a healthy lifestyle,” but had died after contracting “a sudden, fast-spreading infection.”
Agent 747 has some more sophisticated toys to play with this time. He must have upgraded after the last whistleblower.
Oh no don’t tell me he got engine rot
I mean, suiciding the guy who flat out told his friends “If I commit suicide no I didn’t” shows that agent 747 was due to update his techniques and understanding.
Can’t kill them the same way, then it would be obvious.
His name is Max.
This seems a lot more like an unfortunate coincidence than the first whistleblower, unless Boeing have resorted to bioterrorism to get rid of their witnesses, but I’d hate to be part of Boeing’s PR team right now - huge court case where the witnesses against you keep dying doesn’t look good even if you had nothing to do with it.
I doubt during Boeing board meetings they are planning assassinations, but I have no doubt there’s a wealthy investor or board member willing to kill to prevent losing money.
Boeing does sell to the military.
His mother wrote on Facebook that he had contracted pneumonia in April and suffered a stroke following an MSRA infection.
I’d expect a very very through autopsy,
And a blood panel so thorough his family knows everything he ate in the last month.
I’d expect the body to mysteriously disappear before an autopsy can be performed…
Is this whistle made of arsenic or something?
Comes in an envelope with some lovely anthrax
Putin be like bump it down a notch Boeing.
no one likes a copycat
Fucking hell, why should anyone ever want to fly with Boeing again, if they need to pull this kind of mafia shit to cover up their crimes?
Edit: yeah, they died very suddenly from an infection and stroke. It’s not like they had cancer or anything. So my contention is wrong in this case. Leaving my comment up to memorialize my mistake.
Original comment:
It appears they died from a “natural illness.” Before we go all conspiracy theory here let me remind everyone that a poor diagnosis sometimes LEADS to someone becoming a whistleblower. They are confronted with their own mortality and want to do some good before they go.
The death may not have been a result of the whistleblowing but may have been the cause of the whistleblowing.
Fair point, but damned if it isn’t suspicious.
Lock up the executives this isn’t a coincidence
When you see in movies that the bad guy is bold AF and kills indiscriminately yet no-one seems to be doing nothing you think: meh, that is so unrealistic
yet here we are…
we just need a real life Liam Neeson that would kill all the bosses of Boeing, given that law is useless against the rich and powerful.
Could be coincidence or could be murder. Either way bad time to be a Boeing whistleblower
“Hey how can we repair the recent damage to our reputation?”
“Murder somebody”
I definitely would be wary of having having any business with this company. Seems like a hazard to health.
