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theHRguy@lemmy.world to Today I Learned@lemmy.worldEnglish · 2 years ago

TIL: The Phrase “Death To America” Didn’t exist Before the CIA Overthrew the Iranian Government for Nationalizing their Oil in 1953

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TIL: The Phrase “Death To America” Didn’t exist Before the CIA Overthrew the Iranian Government for Nationalizing their Oil in 1953

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  • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worlddeleted by creator
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    Don’t let the British off the hook. Their hands were just as dirty.

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      Don’t let the British Europeans off the hook. Their hands were just as dirty.

      • ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world
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        Don’t let the British Europeans THE RICH off the hook. Their hands were just as dirty. ARE STRANGLING HUMANITY

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        I think the British were involved directly in the overthrow. Iirc.

        • EldritchFemininity@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          IIRC, the US got involved at the behest of British Petroleum (BP).

          I believe BP owned basically the entirety of the oil industry in Iran and ran it like the company towns of old. The living conditions were bad, the pay was worse, and the work was as dangerous as it was backbreaking. So when a beloved leader was democratically elected partially on the pledge of kicking BP out of Iran - which he did by nationalizing the oil industry - BP came crying to the US. Who were all too happy to destroy the biggest democracy in the Middle East in the name of oil.

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            To all those affected: “We’re sorry”

            https://youtu.be/15HTd4Um1m4

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        • PugJesus@lemmy.world
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          Yeah. The US actually initially refused to help the Brits overthrow the Iranian government for nationalizing the oil industry, until the Brits pressed the “RED SCARE” button a few months later, at which point all US rationality went out the window.

      • UndercoverUlrikHD 🇳🇴@programming.dev
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        Those damned meddling Latvians!

      • Miaou@jlai.lu
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        Iran was virtually only a British (and a bit Russian before that) problem. Although you’re right in the general case, of course

  • BarqsHasBite@lemmy.ca
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    I’ve heard they also say “death to traffic”. So I’m wondering if it’s a translation thingy.

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      “death to” is apparently the literal translation of the Farsi idiom whose idiomatic translation into American English would be “goddamn” or “fuck”

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        I hate how western media use literal translations like this.

        I would probably sound like a christian fundamentalist if someone interpreted every OMG of mine as some sort of address to God.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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          You misread. They say fuck America, but they do mean death to America. That’s the translation.

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            That’s literally the opposite of what the person I was replying to said.

            • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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              That person is wrong.

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                Well, I looked into it and found credible sources that support
                @AllNewTypeFace’s claim, so I’m going to believe them.

                https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=31116

                https://ijoc.org/index.php/ijoc/article/view/1558/929

                • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                  Right I know that’s the translation. But they do mean they want America to be destroyed/gone/dead/whatever. And they are willing to kill Americans and attack American interests if they can.

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        Fuck America is one of my fav songs

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      I’m just gonna say “death to _” about anything that mildly annoys me now

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        Death to this groin rash!

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          Death to allergies!

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      Put it on the list.

      https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20150202-the-greatest-mistranslations-ever

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    A surprising amount of americans enemies (most of them) are the direct heirs to american (and/or british) installed regimes.

    • Worx@lemmynsfw.com
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      Is that actually surprising? If someone comes and colonises your shit, of course you’re not going to like them

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    Nobody hates the USA without a reason. All the anti americanism in the world exists because the US has been systematically fucking over other countries without mercy. Looks like people don’t like oppressors who exploit them …

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    Thank Allen Dulles.

  • Agent641@lemmy.world
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    If you can get it, read (or listen to) “All the Shahs Men” it tells the story of the iranian revolution and the shenanigans that led up to it. Who would have thought a dude hiding under a pile of coats in the back seat of a car could so dramatically alter the course of world events.

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      One of the greatest occurrences of blowback in self-interested American foreign policy that reverberates to this day. Iran could’ve been a beacon of democracy in the middle east but foreign meddling by US/UK ended that possibility. We overthrew a democratically elected leader and in his place installed a brutal, friendly-to-us dictator, the Shah. That led to the Islamic revolution which overthrew the Shah and here we are today. Few Americans know about this shameful part of US history. Obama I believe was the first President to publicly acknowledge the deed.

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        Some really familiar famous family names involved too…

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        self-interested American foreign policy

        I detect some redundancy here.

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    Death To America, and butter sauce

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  • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
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    Last half year everybody got a crash course on why America is know as “The Great Satan” in the Middle East.

    • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.world
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      I remember getting the same crash course after 9/11.

      (Maybe not the best phrasing.)

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    Well, well, well…

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    Why should this be a surprise?

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      Well idk if it should be surprising more than informative.

      I like knowing the origin of words and phrases myself at least

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    Neat, so everyone that says that is honoring their gods in the CIA.

    Interesting!

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    Ah, Kermit and his bucket if cash

  • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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    So? What kind of pro Iranian bullshit is this? Fuck the Imamate.

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      So an article that documents CIA blowback is pro Iranian? Thats a hell of a knee jerk

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        Well thinking genocide is bad makes you antisemitic now so yeah it tracks unfortunately 🤣

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          My favorite has been the shift in the definition of ‘nuanced’ to mean “the singular date in recent history that lets me assign blame in one direction and ignoring everything else”… somehow always used in a patronizing tone by someone who thinks Colonization was actually good because it brought us the iphone

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      I don’t think the point is to laud today’s Iran, but to pinpoint that the shit is happening today is consequence of the actions of the U.S. of yesteryear.

      So when Americans say “why do they hate us?” it’s not really because of their freedoms.

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      Yeah you should invade africa for this.

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