So a new guy shows up to one of our public meetings yesterday, after maybe 20 minutes calls someone who he disagrees with a “zog bot”
I tell him not to call people that, bc “zog” originates in neo-nazism and anti-jewish conspiracy theories, say we can talk more after the meeting if need be
He slams his fists on the table and yells “ok zog bot” throws papers on the ground and storms out yelling “no god damn free speech! Zogs got em, zogs got em!”
Thanks for leaving loser
The proliferation of the term “zog” is absurd to me. Used to be only Turner-Diaries-types would use it. That’s still the case, but now Turner-Diaries-types seem to be a lot more common.
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It feels like americans especially are primed to default to antisemitism when they don’t have the tools to navigate the difference between judaism and zionism. Like the background radiation of pop culture has a lot of antisemitic tropes that young people might latch on to. Not making excuses for the shithead, but I get why.
Helps that they live in a white supremacist settler colony, which tends to produce such things, which zionism can then use to paint itself as the only alternative…
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I agree if only because Americans had virtually zero concept of antisemitism 10 years ago and it was only until Israel truly accelerated things that this has reared its ugly head, so let’s not overstate things. Blame the Europeans for this weird shit
huh? nine years ago was richard spencer getting punched and charlottesville. before that, smaller-time neonazi events would make the news periodically. 4chan happy merchant shit was all over gamergate. jk rowling’s goblins. aclu getting in trouble for defending nazis.
Nazi sentiment during this time was centered around hatred against other groupsminorities, it wasn’t necessarily Jewish centric in nature. Vast majority of people who were victims of violence during Charlottesville were black.
She’s British
Okay, I was on 4chan ten years ago, and I’m pretty confident the anti-Black racism also featured antisemitic “great replacement” conspiracies. That’s literally what the “Jews will not replace us” sign meant at Charlottesville.
I stopped visiting 4chan about 2 or 3 years before gamergate because even back then it felt as if it was just a nazi site that was beyond salvaging. Antisemitism was already widespread there even back then. I’m talking full on happy merchant and holocaust denial stuff.
They’re both interconnected, yes.
famously no americans read or discussed harry potter
No shit, it’s probably the most popular series of books world over in the past 5 decades?
ok so how much discourse are you willing to pack into “virtually zero” before it stops being virtually zero? her being british matters about as much as great replacement coming from french neonazis.
Thanks
there has always been a gigantic movement in America of Nazis, antisemitism was deffo not introduced to America lol
Nazis literally learned from the kkk
this is just false and ahistorical
In what sense?
Yeah, beyond the actual spread of these fascistic ideologies, it’s concerning how a lot of terms and ideas from them get adopted in the mainstream (sometimes in the name of irony, and other times not)
The antisemitism is particularly noticeable, and it’s really uncomfortable seeing how much of it has poisoned the wells of a lot of vaguely left or pro-Palestine discourse online
It’s part of the weird cultural export that 4chan does, I think. Why you also see lots of “-oid” suffixes and such, too.
I think the well-poisoning happens mostly because losers like badempanada, who were already antisemities, now see a “justification” for it and lean into that. Kinda sickening.
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Yeah I’m also skeptical of anyone that uses that -oid suffix when talking about anything other than geometry.
Astronomers in shambles
Technically geometry is a fundamental basic principle of astronomy.
Is badempanada an antisemite? He’s bigoted in many ways but I haven’t seen any antisemitism from him.
Dude just loves to say “ZOG” all the time in various forms.
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Had a friend use the “well well well” and “noticing” dogwhistles without realizing their meaning. Don’t like how these things are becoming mainstream
I hadn’t heard of either of these, what are they?
Noticing is when you “notice” that people in high positions are often Jewish and therefore control the world. Well well well is something people say when a minority embodies a stereotype. In the case of Jewish people you mostly see it when a Jewish person is greedy or a pedophile.
wait so your friend said that in regards to a minority? i dont think those terms are explicitly dogwhistles outside of some specific context
It was in relation to a jewish person but I forget the exact context
Thank you, the first one I kinda assumed it was something like that but wasn’t sure. Like the parenthesis thing