Guilty of what, public littering? I guess he did leave a pile of garbage on the street.
A succulent CEO murder?!
I see you know your judo well.
I really think he’d have a shot at jury nullification tbh
Even if his defense was that he only killed a CEO and not a person, I’d acquit him.
If I became president, I’d pardon him.
If I became president, I’d pardon him AND give everyone a free yo-yo
Kinda funny how when Trump pardons criminals everyone gets mad but here when someone suggests doing the exact same it’s totally fine (because this guy’s on our side…)
Pardons haven’t only been issued by Trump. They exist because context and extenuating circumstances are important.
Just because they can be abused doesn’t mean every pardon is corrupt.
If the jury was all Lemmings then for sure. But people here aren’t as representative of the general public as they think they are. Older Americans in particular are not down with Luigi.
It only takes one person intent on nullification to hang a jury. The prosecution can retry the case, but they have to decide if it’s worth it.
And lawyers are really good at jury selection and striking potential jurors. Better than the average person is at trying to outsmart a federal prosecutor.
This is why you need to make sure you don’t look sharp.
If juries were fairly selected he’d 100% get jury nullification…
Which is why it wasn’t going to happen organically in the current selection.
It’s like how to beat “straw purchase” gun laws: you just have to lie.
If you’ve heard of it as a concept, that’s enough to take you off. To the point it’s been a strategy for a long time of people who want to avoid jury duty. It doesn’t always work, because most of the time they don’t really care
Something like this, the government isn’t letting anyone on who knows what it is, and especially today would investigate anyone who suddenly “learned about it” after being selected.
So to be clear:
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It should have worked.
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It wouldn’t have.
Like, we’d have need Mario to get on the jury while wearing an obvious disguise, and they’d be taking almost as much of a risk as player 2. It just wasn’t likely.
I’m super interested in his reasoning for this, but I’d be really surprised if they let him do interviews anytime soon, and what matters more than us knowing is his legal strategies working. We just gotta wait and see.
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There’s no way in this world he would get a fair jury. Any member of that jury will absolutely be bribed and or threatened.
If his defense droped a few stories of other people being ruined by the insurance industry an just kept hammering it home he totally could
they will likely try to find jurors, not screwed over by insurances, and certainly not anyone that had UHC, or any of its affiliates.
I guess the good news is that the actual killer got away with it and might strike again.
This is what happens when you hire Wario as a defence attorney.
Well, the charges he’s pleading to are stalking. Not the murder charges, and pleading in the federal case can get the state case for murder thrown out on double jeopardy under NY law if the federal case is settled first.
This isn’t that bad of a move for him.
https://www.npr.org/2026/08/14/nx-s1-5930700/mangione-federal-charges-guilty-plea
“I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died,” Mangione said in court Friday. “I knew what I was doing.”
While he did plead guilty for the stalking charges, there is more to it than that.
Well yeah. There’s no federal murder charge. Stalking can still carry a life sentence but he’d likely get less than that.
But, settling the federal case can kill the state case if the federal case is done first.
If the state case gets underway before the federal case is resolved, there’s no federal double jeopardy law to kill the federal case so he could still be convicted in both.
It’s always going to be better to only have one case at the federal level than convictions at the state and federal level.
Double jeopardy only applies to the same crime doesn’t it? Stalking and murder aren’t the same crime.
Stalking or murder, either way, it’s life in prison.
He was facing that regardless. With virtually zero chance of being acquitted, no matter what the internet wants to think.
By getting rid of the state case though, he stands a chance of getting the federal one overturned on appeal and being free, vs getting it overturned on appeal and then just going straight to state prison.
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Jury Nullification
Why would he plead guilty to something he didn’t do?
Because if he doesn’t take the deal then they will make sure to throw everything at him and ream his life and chances of survival.
“Don’t make this harder than it has to be, Mr Mangionski. Just sign here, and you will get a lenient 40 years in Gulag.”
The American justice system be like:
It’s still completely insane to me that this pretty little Italian man is being punished for a crime that CCTV footage showed was a tall angry Anglo-Saxon man in his late 40s.
The original CCTV footage showed a much older very white very dangerous man.
The only way Mangione could be dangerous is if I put pineapple on my pizza or I mispronounced “Rigatoni”. That’s just a joke, I’d never put pineapple on pizza… Pineapple is only good when it’s fresh.
You are right on all counts except one. You know which one and I will fight.
I would have been your enemy until a buddy of mine introduced me to pineapple jalapeño pizza. The sweet and spicy mix was great.
One of the delicious things in life is you fry a piece of pork in some garlic and butter, then fry a slice of bread along it on both sides so it gets crisp, then you quick fry a slice of pineapple and put on top, lettuce on the bottom is optional but recommended, et voila. Salt, pepper, heavenly.
Now imagine if you did that but instead of toast you use a flat round dough of some sort…
If you haven’t tried them, you should make or buy some Al Pastor tacos. Pineapple is a great topping, especially sauteed with a bit of cayenne powder, paprika, and brown sugar. Think you might really enjoy them.
You speak wisdom.
Memes aside, you guys know he actually did this right?
You know the, “he didn’t do it” thing is a meme. As in, “oh no, he was totally with me that day. We were feeding homeless people at my local church”
It’s a meme because we support what he did
But in reality, he’s guilty as fuck. He totally did it
he’s innocent until proven guilty
Sure, but also, he killed that man
These comments lead me to believe that a large portion of this site literally thinks that he’s literally an innocent man being framed by the government instead of everyone just pretending like he’s innocent because we support his actions
https://prospect.org/2024/12/09/2024-12-09-radicalized-cory-doctorow-story-health-care/
Maybe if you read that you’d have some kind of understanding of the situation.
I support Luigi
But also, Luigi did it
I know that. I’ve always known that. He’s never really denied it. He just admitted it himself
We all joke around that he’s innocent and that he was with us at church or whatever… that the real shooter is a woman or whatever… but these are jokes. we don’t actually think he’s innocent, we’re just pretending like he’s innocent to show support
There seems to be a crazy amount of people who don’t understand that though and might actually think that Luigi literally was with me at church that day and that I did actually see a 9 foot Amazonian woman pull the trigger.
There seems to be a crazy amount of people who think Luigi is being framed because they apparently believed the comments they read on the internet not understanding that we’re all joking out of support
It’s not that I don’t get that people are joking. It’s that supporting a murderer is really fucking weird.
Is it not murder to knowingly turn down life saving medical procedures people paid for because doing so makes you rich?
CEOs should be fucking scared people will murder them in the street… then maybe they’ll make good decisions again
I don’t know shit.
And, O.J. taught us all that he can still get off, even if he did, because the law doesn’t define justice, people do.
What? Luigi literally just said he did it.
He told a judge that he followed Thompson to a UnitedHealth Group investor conference and shot him on the morning of Dec 4 2024. He also explained that leading up to the murder he emailed UnitedHealthcare while pretending to be an investor at a firm managing more than $50 million in assets so he could get information about the conference. He also acknowledged building a 3D-printed gun with a silencer and that this was the weapon he used for the shooting.
And I quote
“On the morning of Dec 4 2024 I shot Mr. Thompson in Manhattan and he died”
This isn’t new information to anyone who actually knows about the case… we all know he did it, we’re all just pretending like he’s innocent because we support him
yet these comments read like people don’t understand that we’re joking when we say he’s innocent.
That’s concerning that you guys are so thick you literally don’t recognize jokes when you see them anymore.
There’s nothing to argue about it. He did it. He admitted it. He’s pleading guilty.
Anyone in the comments who literally thinks he’s innocent is a fucking moron
The words of a man threatened with death. Plenty of innocent people take a plea deal under similar threats every day.
“Read this, or get the death penalty, and we’ll make sure you die before Trump leave office.”
“What do you want me to say?”
Better to sit in prison a few years, and then try to get the next administration to kick the conviction for any number of DoJ improprieties.
another one
He did it. He never even attempted to deny he did it. He literally sent emails to track where the CEO would be. There are zero other suspects.
He did it. We all know he did it. We just pretended like he was an innocent man being framed because we support what he did; you weren’t suppose to take us seriously
he needs a better lawyers, or new ones. if he has to plead guilty.
He’s pleading guilty to stalking in the federal case, and NY law can force the state murder charge to get dropped if the federal case is resolved first, due to NY double jeopardy laws.
There’s zero chance he gets acquitted anyway, so this is likely the smartest move for him.
They’re not going to drop a murder charge because he got found guilty of stalking. That’s not how double jeopardy works.
Watch Lemmy.world simp for United Health
Yeah I don’t think that’s going to happen
I really don’t understand how and why he doesn’t rather receive a huge award and a statue in his honor for having eliminated a rotten and abominable scourge and leech like that monster was and as in fact any CEO of any insurance company is, instead of prosecuting him as a criminal. Like, insurance industry is what should be illegal, he did only the correct thing.
Gee, could it be that murder is bad? Won’t cry any tears for this asshole getting offed, but surely you can’t believe this act contributes in any positive way to reform of the health care system? There are thousands of others ready to replace every greedy CEO. He was a symptom, not a cause.
By the way, practically every universal health care system has an insurance industry in some shape or form.
There are thousands of others
I feel like you’re underestimating the number of bullets in the world.
Killing 100s of thousands if not millions of people by denying them healthcare is infinitely worse and Brian Thompson and all these other fucks were active participants in that. They set the policy the rest of their companies follow. Murdering every single one of them is a net good for the world and is the only option left since our fucking useless politicians aren’t doing anything about it.
Gee, could it be that murder is bad?
Always? In every case? I don’t think most people believe this. I think we have different opinions on what constitutes justified murder, but I think most of us have a line.
Which is fine, but flippantly brushing it off with this rings very hollow to me. Especially since you go on to make it sound like if it did somehow fix everything, it would be justifiable.
but surely you can’t believe this act contributes in any positive way to reform of the health care system?
Why not? We can argue about the morality of terrorism, but it has definitely effected change internationally in many different political situations and cultures. Almost never is it any one act as being effective though.
I’m actually not so sure here. Is this going to be the thing that instigates reform? Probably not. Did it galvanize more people and help many realize that even many of their political opponents agree that care is in an intolerable state? I don’t know, I kind of think it did, and I think that pretty likely does positively impact the movement.
Not sure what the last non sequitur is about. We all know insurance exists internationally, but the situations aren’t at all comparable to the US.
Interesting little word, murder. Murder is bad by definition. It literally means homicide, but in a bad illegal way.
Depends on the definition used. It can be used to mean both the legal terminology, or can simply be the concept of premeditated killing of a person. I would still say a slave plotting to kill his master is definitely committing murder, even if it’s justifiable.
Regardless, in that case the comment I’m responding to is just a straight up tautology (the killing of the CEO was bad because it was a murder [unjustified killing]; this doesn’t actually argue whether there’s no justification, just defines it that way in the premise), and I’m giving the more generous reading here with room to disagree.
If the next dem président has any balls (or ovaries) at all, they’d pardon him for the federal charges as their first official act.
I’m afraid, that’s not how capitalism works.
I don’t normally address grammatical errors, but I like how this sentence works both with and without the comma.
🤣 you are right. Without comma…
Fuck, the fact that this hateful, stupid, and barbaric comment sits here with 19 upvotes and zero downvotes kind of shatters my illusions about what kind of people I am interacting with here. Enough scrolling for me.
It’s only ok when you put a few layers of indirection between your barbaric acts and the brutal consequences of your actions. Pedo Capitalists Unite!
Brian Thompson, through his words and actions, caused the deaths of thousands of people
I’m not taking a stance on the moraloty of his murder, but is it even a tiny bit surprising people believe he deserved it given that fact?
Murder via a pen may generally be tolerated by society, but that isn’t universal
I don’t celebrate the murder of a United Healthcare CEO, whom by the way denied more Healthcare claims than any other insurance company in the world (by a decent margin). But I sure as hell don’t feel sorry for the guy.
His policies can be directly tied to thousands of cases where people who needed life saving treatment, died so they could save a few bucks.
But yeah, sit up on your high horse and feel superior to everybody else. You’re lucky you haven’t had to experience a health crisis that could potentially determine whether you live or die, or have a job.
Dude you sympathise with Brian Thompson? The guy responsible for letting paying members die horrifically painful deaths for profit? Do you not see how hateful, stupid and barbaric that makes YOU? Reflect on yourself.
Yeah, it’s hateful and barbaric, but not stupid, and it’s what anyone who is barbaric and hateful deserves; I believe in radical proportionality, thus what you give is what you deserve to receive back, exactly, no more and no less (if you give someone five punches in the face with a given force, you deserve exactly five punches in the face with an amount of force proportional to your resistance). You can’t expect a damn serial killer protected by millions of dollars in total assets and the title of CEO to receive flowers. And proportionally to his crime, a simple stay in jail is equivalent to giving him a bed of roses.
So, if you hate others with no reason and kill others with no reason, you deserve to be hated and killed because you’re giving reasons for that.
Saying “insurance should be illegal” is very near the top of the list of stupidest things that one can say.
You also need to work more on your radical proportionality idea.
I believe in radical proportionality, thus what you give is what you deserve to receive back, exactly, no more and no less (if you give someone five punches in the face with a given force, you deserve exactly five punches in the face with an amount of force proportional to your resistance).
I don’t know what you even mean by “proportional to your resistance” and how you quantify punch force and resistance, but if it’s exactly no more and no less than what you got, how is it also proportional to something else? Like I can’t eat exactly 2 pounds of ice cream, proportional to my belly circumference. It’s either one or the other.
Killing somebody is a pretty intense act, I imagine. A sane person doesn’t take another’s life in cold blood. What LM did is not a sane thing to do, regardless of what one thinks about the victim and the victims’ personal responsibility in other people’s suffering. Because it is not a sane thing to do, it’s futile debating its rationale.
I also don’t think that this murder should get special treatment on some utilitarian grounds, such as because it’s a heroic act that saved the lives of millions. I don’t think there is any concrete benefit of the murder on any specific healthcare, welfare, or health equity issue. Where are the masses who got their health back thanks to LM?
So what are you exactly celebrating? What would the statues commemorate? A poor insane man, killing a company executive, replaceable as a professional in the organization, and irreplaceable as a person in his family. Pure insanity and suffering, with no benefit, no winners. It’s a fucking sad and tragic story. It’s a powerful story undeniably, that’s why people follow it, but there is nothing to celebrate about it.
Hey you know how sometimes in society, a lunatic runs around the town square with a gun shooting all kinds of people? Dead bodies everywhere, like they’re filming Heat 2?
Then one cop steps up and fires the perfect shot, taking the bad guy down. No more victims.
The health care CEO was the lunatic shooter and Luigi was (allegedly) the cop.
You’d cheer that cop. That’s what these people are doing, like it or not, agree or not. That is what they are doing.
I bet you’d love the guy who killed Hitler.
(we can smell the conservative from here)
The guy who killed Hitler is Hitler you very dumb person.
c/whooooosh
The lack of universal health care in the US accounts for an estimated annual death increase well north of one hundred thousand people. It’s the oligarchs who are behind that push against it.
Wake me up when you get angry at the people corrupting our democracy and maybe i’ll listen to your complaints. Until then, pardon me for supporting action against the people fucking our country.
What action are you taking about? Shooting a guy in the head? What problem does that exactly solve? He didn’t even shoot an oligarch, he shot an executive.
what the fuck do you think an oligarch is, if not the CEO of literal Bond Villain corporation that is 4th in the world in $?
Like for real. Explain yourself.
[Norman Rockwell Painting] We don’t want to award public assassination of company leaders.
By all accounts Luigi extra-judicially assassinated a person that broke no laws and people here think he is a hero.
Freaks.
laws are not what make something ok or moral. just legal. the ceo he killed? that guy killed thousands through legal corp policy putting profit over people. why are you ok with that?
That’s a valid but also very superficial take. The reason many people sympathise with him is that he killed only a single person, whereas Brian Thompson killed thousands by denying them the healthcare they already paid for. The fact that that’s legal is the real problem here.
And rejection rated dropped after the murder, so it’s entirely possible that Luigi saved more lives than he took.
Yes, this is a sick take, but it’s also a sick system, and denying that is unhelpful and dishonest. The system needs to be fixed. Something good needs to come out of this, not merely the punishment of this one guy.
