It’s not in the thread anymore bc it got removed, but you can look it up in the mod log if you want to see a cis dude with takes like “real communists know how to drive stick” having bougie opinions on trans media on the trans comm.
Or i might as well call out @Carl@hexbear.net directly, let’s not fuck with this vagueposting shit. Carl, it’s already bad enough that you can’t appreciate an artist when she is up front in delivering what she has to say so the people have better odds of actually understanding her point. You look down on the artist who aims to communicate clearly and openly to the masses. This is, in itself, an act of cultural revisionism. But in this case, we’re also talking about trans issues, which constantly fly over the heads of cissies like you, and which we are almost never allowed to articulate ourselves, on our own terms on a platform as large as TADC.
Do you have any idea what it means when a trans woman who was mostly busy shitposting suddenly gets to tell a psychological cartoon horror story about a bunch of lesbians, two of which are canonically trans, that tops the box office on release day while it’s running against the latest Star Wars slop? No, you obviously don’t. So let me spell it out in words that are simple enough for a cis man to unpack: This show cannot afford to be subtle in its finale. Subtlety is not an option right now. When we get to communicate to an audience of 30 million cis people what being forced into repping does to us and those around us, while even the brunch libs are being mass-propagandized by the NYT into seeing our public existence as a problem that needs adressing, when our genocide is workshopped into being a bipartisan consensus, it is kinda obvious that clarity beats your latte sipping philistine idea of true art.
But that doesn’t matter to you. What matters to you is your toxic masculinity bullshit of lording it over everybody that you are more competent than them in every area, including the appreciation of gay 3D indie animation. Do some self crit, motherfucker.
This show cannot afford to be subtle in its finale. Subtlety is not an option right now.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately (though with other media. I haven’t seen the show being talked about). “I know writers who use subtext and those people are cowards,” was supposed to be ironic, but it’s becoming more and more true all the time. If you don’t explicitly state your beliefs, chuds will latch onto your art. Even when you’re upfront about it, they still might cling to it with all kinds of cope.
Examples from the last 5 years or so: Trench Crusade, The Boys, anything Star Wars or Star Trek, Don’t Look Up, Helldivers, Baulder’s Gate 3, and a bunch I’m forgetting off the top of my head. This doesn’t include things they get upset over that may even be reactionary, like Harry Potter.
You can shove leftism in their faces, and they’ll still deny it if they enjoy the art in question. If the author explicitly says outside of the work it’s meant to be leftwing/progressive/woke/whatever, chuds will bend over backwards trying to justify their participation.
You are putting entire political screeds into my mouth. All I said was that the writing is “baby’s first character drama”, because there are many scenes where the characters more or less look right into the camera and explain in no uncertain terms what their feelings are. I said that this probably explains its appeal to younger audience, who might be put off by more difficult-to-approach writing. I also said that I thought it was pretty good.
Nowhere in there did I look down on anyone except for the people coming at me with completely unwarranted anger, which you are now pulling into entirely unrelated threads.
You are putting entire political screeds into my mouth.
No, i am pointing out how your class position as a man and as a cis person blinds you to things that are obvious to me as a trans woman - for example, that characters sometimes outright stating their opinions is directly informed by the common trans experience of cis people explaining away things that are blatantly obvious to us.
If you would say “the mirror scene with Zooble was too on the nose as a metaphor for their dysphoria”, i wouldn’t disagree with that artistically, but i would argue that this is probably a secondary concern when there’s still several entire reddit threads trying to make sense of that scene while desperately trying to avoid any mention of gender dysphoria. The bluntness of TADC exists in the political climate of erasing our perspectives and denying our very existence. To a trans audience, this does not have to be pointed out because we have all been in a discussion where we’ve been dogpiled by cis men who think they can make a better call on trans issues than us. I’ve had such discussions even right here on hexbear.
When you think the directness of TADC is “childish” and not a defensive stance every trans woman is pressured into, you are entirely missing the point. When you do that in a thread on a trans comm, yes, people will get mad at you.
It’s so wild, it’s almost like art isn’t created in a vacuum and needs to be examined within the societal context in which it is made rather than just declaring one thing “good art” and another “bad art” based on personal notions of “maturity” which is also a very society specific idea as to what is and what isn’t “mature”.
I really don’t think this is about that pretentious boomer idiot.
Who?
It’s not in the thread anymore bc it got removed, but you can look it up in the mod log if you want to see a cis dude with takes like “real communists know how to drive stick” having bougie opinions on trans media on the trans comm.
Or i might as well call out @Carl@hexbear.net directly, let’s not fuck with this vagueposting shit. Carl, it’s already bad enough that you can’t appreciate an artist when she is up front in delivering what she has to say so the people have better odds of actually understanding her point. You look down on the artist who aims to communicate clearly and openly to the masses. This is, in itself, an act of cultural revisionism. But in this case, we’re also talking about trans issues, which constantly fly over the heads of cissies like you, and which we are almost never allowed to articulate ourselves, on our own terms on a platform as large as TADC.
Do you have any idea what it means when a trans woman who was mostly busy shitposting suddenly gets to tell a psychological cartoon horror story about a bunch of lesbians, two of which are canonically trans, that tops the box office on release day while it’s running against the latest Star Wars slop? No, you obviously don’t. So let me spell it out in words that are simple enough for a cis man to unpack: This show cannot afford to be subtle in its finale. Subtlety is not an option right now. When we get to communicate to an audience of 30 million cis people what being forced into repping does to us and those around us, while even the brunch libs are being mass-propagandized by the NYT into seeing our public existence as a problem that needs adressing, when our genocide is workshopped into being a bipartisan consensus, it is kinda obvious that clarity beats your latte sipping philistine idea of true art.
But that doesn’t matter to you. What matters to you is your toxic masculinity bullshit of lording it over everybody that you are more competent than them in every area, including the appreciation of gay 3D indie animation. Do some self crit, motherfucker.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately (though with other media. I haven’t seen the show being talked about). “I know writers who use subtext and those people are cowards,” was supposed to be ironic, but it’s becoming more and more true all the time. If you don’t explicitly state your beliefs, chuds will latch onto your art. Even when you’re upfront about it, they still might cling to it with all kinds of cope.
Examples from the last 5 years or so: Trench Crusade, The Boys, anything Star Wars or Star Trek, Don’t Look Up, Helldivers, Baulder’s Gate 3, and a bunch I’m forgetting off the top of my head. This doesn’t include things they get upset over that may even be reactionary, like Harry Potter.
You can shove leftism in their faces, and they’ll still deny it if they enjoy the art in question. If the author explicitly says outside of the work it’s meant to be leftwing/progressive/woke/whatever, chuds will bend over backwards trying to justify their participation.
Yowza.
You are putting entire political screeds into my mouth. All I said was that the writing is “baby’s first character drama”, because there are many scenes where the characters more or less look right into the camera and explain in no uncertain terms what their feelings are. I said that this probably explains its appeal to younger audience, who might be put off by more difficult-to-approach writing. I also said that I thought it was pretty good.
Nowhere in there did I look down on anyone except for the people coming at me with completely unwarranted anger, which you are now pulling into entirely unrelated threads.
No, i am pointing out how your class position as a man and as a cis person blinds you to things that are obvious to me as a trans woman - for example, that characters sometimes outright stating their opinions is directly informed by the common trans experience of cis people explaining away things that are blatantly obvious to us.
If you would say “the mirror scene with Zooble was too on the nose as a metaphor for their dysphoria”, i wouldn’t disagree with that artistically, but i would argue that this is probably a secondary concern when there’s still several entire reddit threads trying to make sense of that scene while desperately trying to avoid any mention of gender dysphoria. The bluntness of TADC exists in the political climate of erasing our perspectives and denying our very existence. To a trans audience, this does not have to be pointed out because we have all been in a discussion where we’ve been dogpiled by cis men who think they can make a better call on trans issues than us. I’ve had such discussions even right here on hexbear.
When you think the directness of TADC is “childish” and not a defensive stance every trans woman is pressured into, you are entirely missing the point. When you do that in a thread on a trans comm, yes, people will get mad at you.
It’s so wild, it’s almost like art isn’t created in a vacuum and needs to be examined within the societal context in which it is made rather than just declaring one thing “good art” and another “bad art” based on personal notions of “maturity” which is also a very society specific idea as to what is and what isn’t “mature”.
you are an exceptionally annoying type of person.