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yesss its a weird usecase. its easy to think ur getting so much out of it while theres actually rather little to gain.
(okay fine yes im just commenting on this post cuz its got more likes than mine… and its a screenshot! >o< grrrrr- )
if u ask mister gpt or daddy claudius for a web search thing, you lose out on the actual sources. Which sucks cuz they are right there in the LMs context, but u dont get to see it. u dont get to see the sources.
this requires a mockup. imma be back in a few hours or so and post a mockup on Qwen community and then link it here. So here u go: have this pointless indicator showing that im working on something, maybe:
👩🍳 Cooked for 1 hour and 20 minutes
okay i cooked. 🍳
the post is here and if u dont care to open a link but do care to click a dropdown, here is the mockup:
mockup i made
the idea is that the LM highlights the actual sources by writing special syntax which shows up in the UI as the sources themselves. Here an example.
The LM writes:Here is that part of the script:
<show>
<path=“res://script.gd”>
<from_line=7>
<to_line=7>
</show>This gets parsed and shows up as this:
Here is that part of the script:
var whatever: String = "the content of this file is"
soooo… it doesn’t regurgitate, but highlights the actual sources. The example is about code but this is easily extended to regular web search. its just text so… its the same thing.
sigh i spend too much time on lemmy.
EDIT: i moved the post from qwen community (which is on blahaj zone) to FOSAI which is not on blahaj zone cuz i feel this stuf doesnt belong here.
I understand hating AI for it’s negative effects on the world.
What I don’t understand is people pretending that it isn’t generally speaking much better than manual search for most general knowledge queries.
If we count all the ads, all the SEO optimised spam, the hiding the one sentence of substance in a page long article, or the automatic summary of multiple sources, I don’t see how it isn’t (generally) better.
Sure, if you’re doing actual scientific research, don’t use AI. But everyday queries that 99% of people would do are (sadly) better served by AI.
I’m not saying that that’s good, just that it’s true. It’s weird to pretend reality doesn’t exist, just because it might involve giving AI credit for anything.
finally an honest take that doesnt appear to be strictly the result of group think hate
This is one of those things where you can be unhappy about it but also you’ve already lost this battle and you’re just going to look like fools in the future
Like when we see old news footage and newspaper articles from people who claimed Nintendo wouldn’t last longer than the early 80s Christmas season and that the Internet is a fad
AI is here and it’s not going away
Yeah, just like Betamax, HD-DVD, The Virtual Boy, Zune, Theranos, Viox, and Google Glass. Every technological innovation is always good, especially when they are force feeding them to you, LLMs are too big to fail spectacularly! It’s not an entirely pointless way for idiots to make computers do the exact same things they can already do but worse when you really look at it.
I’m in the software industry and I’m telling you that AI is not The Virtual Boy
It’s used from the bottom up. It dictates notes, makes cases, tracks meetings, does basic PR reviews, updates code, tests, writes tests, manages the Kanban board, etc…
It’s in your phone, it’s in your search engines, I made a phones call the other day and talked to an AI to navigate the phone system, I ordered by talking to an AI at a fast food place about a month ago, etc…
It’s here and it’s not going away
You can hate it, but in 20 years people are going to look back on “AI is dumb” posts and laugh
Betamax forever!
Edit: “I work for AI, it’s actually super rad!” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
So you think I don’t write software for a living or do you think my company doesn’t use AI?
I think you’re a shill.
for what?
Is this site full of 12 years old kids or something? How do you guys not know that AI has quickly become an integral part of many corporations day-to-day business routines?
What kind of businesses, though?
You are delusional. It can’t do even half of these things to a level that adds any value to the situation. A correction is coming.
what?
We do our meetings on Zoom and there is a Claude plug-in that was set up so that, during the meeting, we can just say, “Hey Claude” and then tell it to do something it will do that thing
Frequently we use it, during meetings, to make cases for jobs we need to do either that day or in the coming week. Claude has access to our Kanban board and so we can, and do, ask it to not only make or edit cases but also to move those cases around the board for us
After the meeting, this might be Zoom itself, we all get an AI document that goes over all of the things that were discussed in that meeting.
Claude-Code is literally an app you can download and it’s soul purpose is to access files on your computer and make changes to them.
Obviously Claude can write code (that’s what “Vibe Coding” is) but Claude-Code doesn’t just write it in the browser and then print it out on screen, it literally writes to files on your computer. You literally give it access to create, delete, update, and edit files on your machine. Because of this, not only can it write code for us, it can also write, and run, our automated tests. And setting this up so that these tests automatically run every hour or to run the relevant tests per PR is a simple task
So yes, Claude not only writes tests for us, it runs the tests. And since Claude can access the files on our computer we can literally tell Claude to do things in our app so, yes, Claude is the first level of testing
It can also read code, so it reads the code pushed and it reviews it. Claude can also approve or deny a PR if it finds something wrong. We still require two humans to review the code, but Claude goes first so I’m not wasting my time reviewing code with obvious problems
Voice-To-Text is not new and you are well aware of the fact that you can chat with AI right? Literally an AI program called “ChatGPT”. So when I talk it gets converted to text and sent to an AI, who responds and Text-To-Speech turns it back into a voice… so I can literally talk to AI
Which mean, yes, I can talk to AI to navigate a phone system or place an order at a fast food place; and I have done literally that
This isn’t even crazy stuff. This is like AI 101 at this point.
I had claudegpt summarize that for me instead of reading it. Said you’re a shill.
Obviously triggered something here. I’m not going to read all this.
I use AI. I’ve built agents from first principles. I’ve tried at these things. I’ve been down these roads.
I know where we stand right now and it’s not the place that delusional tech bros think we are standing.
You seem very invested in the idea that this needs to work out. Like it’s part of your identify now or something. You are defending this as if I attacked you personally.
Touch grass, talk to humans face to face.
“I didn’t read what you wrote but I know you’re wrong”
But yeah, you’re totally a super smart AI guy and we should all listen to you. I mean, you’re too lazy to read a few paragraphs on a web forum but you’ve definitely taken the time to study up on all the things AI is currently doing in the business world
Seems legit to me
Okay, then the fools of the future can look on me poorly. I’ll hold the same level of disdain for them.
Your argument is “everyone else is a idiot, so you’ll look very foolish if you don’t become an idiot too!” no, I’ll just be even more tired.
They’re not idiots though
While there arguments about the value of the companies making the AI agents, the fear of real humans being replaced by AI agents in the work force, and the environmental concerns of the data centers… the AI itself is an immensely helpful, and immensely powerful tool that is definitely not a fad that is going to disappear and definitely not used just by idiots
Here’s an article about AI being trained look at X-Rays and successfully diagnosing 11 patients with early breast cancer that was missed by the human Doctors
what about “chatgpt says copy paste of LLM output”?
might as well be a fucking bot
People seem to love being bots, half of the human internet is literally just people repeating the same shitty stuff over and over millions of times. Like half of the comments on any youtube video being “babe, wake up”, “legendary refresh pull” etc.
And people only watching, listening to, playing, eating, wearing etc. the current popular things just because they are popular, they need to be the same as everyone else and think that people who doesn’t do that are weird and bad. It’s truly disturbing IMO.
I can think of at least two that get to me more.
Let me go ask [their favorite LLM].
And
Why don’t you ask [their favorite LLM]?
At my job I’ve recently been being pushed to use our subscribed LLM. I have, very reluctantly and mostly with predictably useless results or the same result I would have gotten from a normal search. On Friday, I used it and got a possibly useful answer.
I told my manager because my job is in at least mild peril so I’m doing everything I can to curry his favor. I’ve been, until recently, very vocal about my opposition to AI. He is aware of my thoughts on it.
As a result, he acknowledged that I had used it then said “I need to log out for the day. Keep talking to your new friend.”
I have trouble effectively communicating with the guy, so I’m not sure whether he was trying to be supportive, motivational or sarcastic, but I did not feel supported or motivated.
Absolutely scumbag
A couple days ago I heard the horrifying sentence “I asked chatgpt to generate a secure password for the laptops” from someone returning a cart full of laptops they borrowed. Does your browser not have a built in password generator? Does your password manager not have a built in password generator? Could you not find a single password generator online?
And of course not only is that unnecessary, but insecure since your password is immediately in the chatgpt logs
I work in municipal development, and we have people trying to turn in building plans designed by AI. And the AI even puts in real-looking Engineering and Architectural seals. I really don’t love that I have to verify seals these days.
Our team is made up of hyper-vigilant bureaucrats, but lots of cites have worn out people who stopped caring if it looked mostly right, and people are going to die when buildings start collapsing.
AI is not trustworthy. A friend of mine literally put Warhammer 40,000’s rules and codexes into an AI so we could ask it questions and use it as a fast check rules tool.
It gets shit wrong a bunch.
So if the fucking thing can’t do a simple data-check on a 60 page document regarding a fucking boardgame, how the hell is it supposed to do ‘real’ things?
strange hyper-focus of anger here, i feel.
i can think of plenty of more upsetting phrases, many to do with ongoing genocides. idk, i guess im just tired of people virtue signalling about their “unmatched” hatred for a new tech.
- edit are you all seriously that bent on your group hate of llm that you downvoting a comment saying genocide is worse than gpt? wow
You pivoting to accusations of virtue signaling is rich given how much you’ve commented here in defense of AI.
i didnt pivot at all, that was my original and only point. its genuinely fascinating seeing people lose all sense of nuance the second gpt comes up, so they can one up each other of who hates it more.
I literally gave a detailed reply to another one of your comments. You aren’t worth arguing with at this point
you replied to me twice. the most recent reply shows at the top of my notifications. i saw this top one and replied and went to bed. im not interested in arguing either, i just wanted to add my perspective and engage in good faith. inventing an issue that im not replying correctly seems petty. anyway, i’ll move on and wish you the best.
If I wanted to know what a chatbot says, I would have asked it myself.
Hmm, you do make a fair point. Chatbots, indeed, are absolutely not velociraptors.
… So FAR.
One of my coworkers who’s into AI has a chatbot set to behave as they were an elder got, talk about code as incantations, etc.
I wonder if, had he requested it be a velociraptor, he would have gotten mostly aggressive reptilian noises as a response.
i might have been convinced that chatbots could’ve had some utility as sort of advanced ‘rubber duck debugging’, but in my humble opinion talking to an actual rubber ducky is a superior process because literal rubber duckies are not known for telling us to kill ourselves unless we’ve taken a truly apocalyptic quantity of hallucinogens.
I still remember how a colleague told me we should do X.
I was bamboozeled and baffled by it because X was literally what it said on the flask of the chemical what you shoulf not do under any circumstances.
His explanation as to why we should was, quote “I mean I know its strange, but Copilot told me it is okay and would be fine”
“well, you’re the expert. I’ll be behind this sealed barrier while you kill yourself”
Disclaimer: don’t do this. Letting your coworkers die is morally bad, and probably illegal.
Even worse, it involves a lot of paperwork.
What you do is send an official complaint straight to the legal office who will lose their shit at that
*who will put the complaint into another LLM and it’ll say there’s no problem
