Ah… plant confuses me because spinach is a plant too
spinach isn’t really being confounded with meat in FFQs.
but your saying immediately available carbohydrates vs fats
I’m not saying anything about immediate or delayed carbohydrates - but I will now - They are both bad, they both get converted into blood glucose, which isn’t healthy. Food that spikes blood glucose (even with a 15m delay) is not healthy.
fiber and stuff
if you enjoy fibre, it seems to be a net positive for people on a high carbohydrate diet, that’s great! but it isn’t necessary when the diet is nutritionally adequate and without toxic food (like blood glucose spiking carbs)
A zero carb diet is a very low inflammatory eating pattern - it’s a option to consider. Instead of adding anti-oxidants to your diet, remove the oxidants and inflammatory foods from it - less work for your body overall.
Jet is differentiating between what is called “meat” in a food frequency questionnaire versus how little of the meal is meat
The biggest problem with the “not meat” side (what’s identified as the percentage of the energy in the meal that comes from plants) is the hyper palatable engineered food shaped stuff which makes people fat and sick
Yeah carnivore is a keto diet, though we do it more for health than for weight loss. We especially cop flack based on the idea from that bad science that the meat we eat will kill us
Which is funny, if you think about it. If that were true all the detractors would have to do is wait since carnivores won’t be able to sustain the diet. The issue would be self resolving. I don’t supplement at all, and should be dead from scurvy 6 times over or so if those people are to be believed.
There is indeed, however, a certain diet with a very high rate of recidivism. That’s all I’m saying on the topic.
There are more than 1 diet that’s hard to follow. Loads of people have trouble with the one you’re thinking of, many have difficulty with keto (I did until I made it fatty meat with salad, then dropped the salad)
Lots of people use carnivore as a tool to hit a goal, then “go off” carnivore (add in some things and find their new tolerance). No hate for them either, as long as they live their life happy and healthy that is really great. They still know carnivore is a powerful tool, and if they do run into a issue again they can just go clean.
“some” other diets will disclaim someone’s experience (if they should ever stop) as not doing it correctly, and invalidating their data.
The general recommendation for zero carb is ruminant meat. I don’t think we are eating apex predators all that often although I’ve had alligator meat before. I did not particularly enjoy it, not enough fat for my liking.
I personally avoid American meat, but you have to do the best you can, and if all you are able to have is that it’s still far better than a standard diet, in my experience.
I’m somehow not getting this post at all. Plant kcal? As in plants?
% energy in calories from the plant in the meat meal.
So for example if you eat a pepperoni pizza most of the calories is from the carbs in the pizza, and not the meat.
big mac combo meal - most of your energy is from the carbs, which get quickly converted into blood glucose
Ah… plant confuses me because spinach is a plant too but your saying immediately available carbohydrates vs fats and fiber and stuff
Correct?
spinach isn’t really being confounded with meat in FFQs.
I’m not saying anything about immediate or delayed carbohydrates - but I will now - They are both bad, they both get converted into blood glucose, which isn’t healthy. Food that spikes blood glucose (even with a 15m delay) is not healthy.
if you enjoy fibre, it seems to be a net positive for people on a high carbohydrate diet, that’s great! but it isn’t necessary when the diet is nutritionally adequate and without toxic food (like blood glucose spiking carbs)
Right… I dunno the whole plant thing is confusing to me but I think I get you
Don’t eat fake food is an easy mantra
Sure, real food is probably going to good for most people - nothing from a factory, oil processing plant - no bags, no boxes.
I am a fan of passata from factories. The lycopene is more available
A zero carb diet is a very low inflammatory eating pattern - it’s a option to consider. Instead of adding anti-oxidants to your diet, remove the oxidants and inflammatory foods from it - less work for your body overall.
removing ultra-processed foods, refined sugars, and industrial seed oils as much as possible seems more logical to me.
Jet is differentiating between what is called “meat” in a food frequency questionnaire versus how little of the meal is meat
The biggest problem with the “not meat” side (what’s identified as the percentage of the energy in the meal that comes from plants) is the hyper palatable engineered food shaped stuff which makes people fat and sick
Yeah thanks that’s how far I got but your description is spot on. I assume this has something to do with keto diet
Yeah carnivore is a keto diet, though we do it more for health than for weight loss. We especially cop flack based on the idea from that bad science that the meat we eat will kill us
Which is funny, if you think about it. If that were true all the detractors would have to do is wait since carnivores won’t be able to sustain the diet. The issue would be self resolving. I don’t supplement at all, and should be dead from scurvy 6 times over or so if those people are to be believed.
There is indeed, however, a certain diet with a very high rate of recidivism. That’s all I’m saying on the topic.
There are more than 1 diet that’s hard to follow. Loads of people have trouble with the one you’re thinking of, many have difficulty with keto (I did until I made it fatty meat with salad, then dropped the salad)
Lots of people use carnivore as a tool to hit a goal, then “go off” carnivore (add in some things and find their new tolerance). No hate for them either, as long as they live their life happy and healthy that is really great. They still know carnivore is a powerful tool, and if they do run into a issue again they can just go clean.
“some” other diets will disclaim someone’s experience (if they should ever stop) as not doing it correctly, and invalidating their data.
Personally I feel like eating only the top of the food chain where all contaminants converge is… brave
But my energy to really give a shit is being used up by politics
The general recommendation for zero carb is ruminant meat. I don’t think we are eating apex predators all that often although I’ve had alligator meat before. I did not particularly enjoy it, not enough fat for my liking.
Yeah that was a bit of a mistake. The top is predators yes. People, even
The fish I eat the most are sardines and the animal I eat most is cattle which are the step immediately above plants
So I’m not out for sharks, lions or people as food
Ah true, the top would be predators
But still cows can mean a lot of things. Organic, sure. But American style hormone and antibiotic banks? Nah
I personally avoid American meat, but you have to do the best you can, and if all you are able to have is that it’s still far better than a standard diet, in my experience.
You can get grass finished beef in America, but you might need to find a local to ask where
That was the good thing about Reddit, loads of people from all over with local knowledge you can mine when travelling
i block politics on lemmy, its much nicer
I’m hoping to find some actionable people and radicalise together
Change the status quo and all that
But I’ll make sure we bring barbecues and you are welcome after
That is exactly what we want - fix modern chronic disease - fix the epidemic of type 2 diabetes. Join us in the insulin crusades!
Can I bring the napalm and the pitchforks and attack the elite while we’re on that?
Handy to start a good solid roast with too!