• RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Yeah, no… I’m there all the time. The coffee is the same as far as caffeine goes by type or volume. An espresso is an espresso, an Americano is the same as a normal cup of American coffee. Europe doesn’t have “magic beans” with triple the caffeine, and no sane person is ordering triple-shot European “large” cups to go. I bring home ground or whole coffee all the time, it’s the same.

      What Europe does do is put the shot of coffee in a smaller “large” so you can actually taste the coffee and not drown it in as much milk or put sugary crap in it. The American norm is the “dessert” in a giant cup nominally called coffee, which is essentially a flavored milk drink with a dash of coffee. “Why is the coffee so much better here?” is something I hear often enough in Europe, and that’s the answer. Less crap.

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      3 months ago

      We probably have as many normal cafes here as we have sugarbomb-starbucks corpo type places, especially in the cities. They’ll serve you a 12oz or 16oz black coffee and you add what you want into it at a self service counter. I usually add a splash of oat milk.

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    Europeans don’t like taste that’s the problem

    Stole the spices across the world, made bland food. Sad.

    Edit: Europeans mad their food isn’t as good as they believed. Raided the world and came up short, not my problem.

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    Americans: how many gallons of milk do you want me to put this burnt filter coffee in?

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      3 months ago

      Starbucks coffee is actually espresso-based, if you order drip coffee in a Starbucks it won’t have a gallon of milk in it. They just both taste burned because of the heavily roasted beans.

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          I’d argue that Starbuck’s drip coffee isn’t really their main/default/standard product. Most people who choose Starbucks over other options are going for the “bucket of milk with a little espresso” drinks, their drip coffee is more of a “I want to stay in this café for a while and spend as little money as possible” option.

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      3 months ago

      I’ve not been to the States, but is drip coffee likely to get over-extracted (which is what we tend to describe as “burnt”)? I would have thought that it would be stale from sitting on the hot plate, and flat if the water’s from a reservoir, but probably under-extracted unless the water’s too hot to start.

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        3 months ago

        As another commenter says, it’s their custom of making drip coffee and then leaving it on a hot plate to denature all flavour remaining after the aromatics have been cooked off

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          Listen. I am a coffee snob. I have friends who send me unique coffees from their travels, coffees that have light roasts and mangosteen flavor notes. I am adept at using a Hario pour-over, with a scale, and beans that I grind myself every morning. I know how to tweak my pours to change the flavor and body of my coffee, depending on the roast and bean. With all of that being said, I still have, deep in my heart, a love for that stale, black charcoal water that’s been sitting on a hot plate since time immemorial, poured into a scratchy ceramic mug and slid over to me with minimal effort and even an air of contempt by a woman who smells of Virginia Slim cigarettes and calls me “hon’” when impatiently asking me for my order. Nothing pairs better with crispy corned beef hash and runny eggs. Nothing.

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            3 months ago

            I love the romance of that scene, and I do enjoy an American dinner, but I’m sorry that coffee is just dreadful

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        Partly over extraction, but mainly all of the “common” coffee here are medium dark or dark roast adjacent blends, which tends towards those maltier, burnt flavors and tends to be “smoother” when mixed with creme and sugar than more fruity light roasts.

        There are plenty of light and medium roasts everywhere, but if you dont specify, you will get a darker roast.

    • Zron@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      What’s “real coffee”

      Coffee is made from ground up coffee beans steeped in water.

      Do you just eat the beans?

      Is this the European health secret?

      • TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        “Americano” got its name from US soldiers coming to France during World War 2. They didn’t like our coffee, it was too strong for them. So the French added water and named it “Americano” to mock Americans.

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          Ehhh, the French mocking people is hardly something to stand on as an argument. Other things the French will mock people for:

          • pronouncing bread names wrong
          • attempting to pronounce bread names correctly
          • liking the Eiffel Tower
          • not liking the Eiffel Tower
          • speaking French
          • not speaking French

          An Americano is also not just coffee, it is espresso. This is like saying someone can’t handle their liquor because they ask for a cocktail they can sip on instead of straight shots of vodka. I do like shots of espresso as a pick me up sometimes, but other times I want something I can sip on whilst talking with a friend or working. Much like how sometimes I will slam back whiskey like it’s water, or make a nice cocktail if I’m taking it easy and want to enjoy myself.

  • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip
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    Coffee is brewed in ratios of beans:water that varies depending on the style being made. An espresso in Europe should be more or less the same size as an espresso in the states. Same for pour over, cold brew, lattes, etc