• davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
    881·
    23 days ago

    Unless it is fought, this corporate-driven rot will burrow all the way down to the sub-processor TEE/TPM and all the way up to the web browser/app.

          • Soot [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
            6·
            23 days ago

            I’d done it, I’d smuggled in one of those RISC-whatever boxes. The hardware that doesn’t require a live-scan of your irises and your digital ID to interface. This baby can visit websites without even scanning your brainwaves. I don’t know what country it came from - You’re not allowed to know about foreign countries before you’re 40, the computer blocks them, it’s something about preventing “unauthorised gooning”.

            Just as I sat down, I heard it - the info-chopper, they knew. I grabbed my illegal CPU just as the door was bust open, “INFORMATION PROTECTION OFFICER, CLOSE YOUR EYES AND TELL ME YOUR BIRTHDATE!” You see you’re only allowed to hear certain parts of our rights depending on your details, it’s to protect you from dangerous information. Even seeing his face might evoke corrupted thoughts, but I didn’t care anymore.

            I quickly, but pointedly, looked over, and saw him, cool leather jacket, gun, one of those brain-interceptor helmet things, like a hockey helmet made of cushions and diodes. “NO” I cried, “I WANT TO PLAY SNAKE WITHOUT PROVIDING MY SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER!”.

            With that war cry, I cheesed it, spurred on by the sky-high promise of reading a ‘potentially offensive’ Wikipedia article, in private.

      • tyler@programming.dev
        16·
        23 days ago

        Email your legislators telling them that parents already have access to network block tools, these laws won’t stop the problem anyway (run through a vpn), they’re a free speech nightmare, they’re collecting more data on American citizens when America has data breaches losing data every few days, and Congress literally studied this twenty years ago and decided it wasn’t a good idea then, what makes it a good idea now?

        • IronBird@lemmy.world
          12·
          23 days ago

          uh…$? same reason the majority of US politicians vote anyway on anything put in front of them.

          the only thing sacred in the USA is $

      • krashmo@lemmy.world
        12·
        23 days ago

        I’ll never buy a computer that can’t be run without this shit. If that means I run what I have until it breaks and then never have a PC again then that’s what I’ll do

        • wltr@discuss.tchncs.de
          2·
          23 days ago

          The last computer I bought (a couple of years back) was a decade old PC, the price was €10 or so. I needed to add RAM, SSD, and used it for a couple of years as a Fedora Workstation desktop. It was plenty powerful for most of my needs. I’m not too worried about it. I think I can survive on a machine like that.

      • antrosapien@lemmy.ml
        4·
        23 days ago

        What if users are redefined as context? Now the is does not have users anymore. That’s not a ‘root’ user, it’s a ‘root’ context. And that’s non root context with supercontext privileges

      • gnuthing [they/them]@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        1·
        22 days ago

        Honestly the only way to fight all the corporate and govt data collection is to end the dictatorship of the Epstein class by overthrowing then. Until we can unite against them, they will continue to limit our speech in an effort to quell efforts to organize a resistance

      • Orygin@sh.itjust.works
        02·
        23 days ago

        The least effective way is whining on a Lemmy community about open source projects.
        Go talk to your lawmakers, not the people complying with the law.

  • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
    763·
    23 days ago

    In my opinion, storing a date is pretty much irrelevant unless there’s a process that validates the supplied date, otherwise every Linux user was born on 1/1/1, if not, an administrator can “fix” that

    Furthermore, that systemd thinks that it’s the place to store such information is in my opinion beyond absurd.

    Who appointed that project the source of age truth in the Linux ecosystem? What discussion was there, who was consulted and where was the vote?

    • skyline2@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
      633·
      23 days ago

      Exactly. This is a massive overreach, and it is crazy that Poettering is even considering merging this.

      • JovialSodium@lemmy.sdf.org
        37·
        23 days ago

        I would say the majority of objections to systemd pertain to perceived overreaches of the project (perceptions I generally share). So in that sense, it is kind of on brand.

      • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
        162·
        23 days ago

        it is crazy that Poettering is even considering merging this

        You’ve, uh, seen systemd, right? Cmon; this is just one more section for the cancer to eat.

      • Marasenna@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        1·
        23 days ago

        and it is crazy that Poettering is even considering merging this.

        Not familiar with him then?

    • Cethin@lemmy.zipEnglish
      14·
      23 days ago

      You’re right that asking a user for a date is next to useless. However, that isn’t a reason to not fight this stuff. Asking the user for the date is step one to getting people accept it. After that they’ll point out that people were lying, and they’ll need our government ID to verify (and link us to activity). It’s all a step towards a surveillance network tracking every move you make on your computer.

      • Onno (VK6FLAB)@lemmy.radio
        4·
        23 days ago

        I understand your point and agree that this is the thin end of the wedge.

        What we’re doing here is discussing the phenomenon and I’m highlighting some concerns.

        I believe that this is how you get a dialogue happening which will effect change, which is what we’re both advocating.

        I think that age verification is about surveillance rather than protecting children and I think it should be fought at every level.

        This is me contributing to that fight.

    • blobjim [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      7·
      23 days ago

      This change is mostly in the userdb code which is a sub-component of systemd that stores user records. It isn’t in the PID1 process. But I could see an argument for having it be part of the desktop environment in GNOME or something like that instead.

    • njordomir@lemmy.world
      7·
      23 days ago

      They haven’t fessed up yet that that’s part of their plan. I expect to hear from them after they’ve passed the first half.

  • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
    625·
    23 days ago

    I was ambivalent about systemd up until now. If this gets merged I’m moving to a non-systemd distro. I do not live in California or even the USA. I do not want age verification garbage in my OS.

    • Holytimes@sh.itjust.works
      8·
      23 days ago

      Iv not given a shit one way or another as well. But as a Californian I refuse to have this shit on my PC damn be what the law says.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.caEnglish
      4·
      23 days ago

      Consider PCLinuxOS: they’re an RPM-based mandriva (mandrake/conectiva) derivative with really great and wide compatibility in stacks without the ‘modules’ shitfest RH started after no one remembered what ‘alternatives’ was for.

      They don’t use systemd, but their installation is a bit shite as it’s a “live CD” installer – they pruned out the proper templatey install that mandriva has. But so far that’s the biggest issue. If they can get off networkManager we’ll be even better off, though.

      • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
        52·
        23 days ago

        It’s being added as a response to the age verification laws with the intended purpose to provide the age signal.

        It’s age verification/attestation.

        • Orygin@sh.itjust.works
          34·
          23 days ago

          No. It’s a date of birth. You’re right that age verification comes next, but this is not it. Had this field been present before, none of this would matter.

          Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer.

          • Atomic@sh.itjust.works
            51·
            23 days ago

            Contact your representative, not your local FOSS maintainer.

            They’re not a US citizen.

            They also didn’t say they would contact the maintainers. They said they’d just change distro to a non-systemd one.

            And you’re nothing but silly trying to act like this isn’t about age “verification”. We know it is, because it comes in response to the new california law

          • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
            3·
            22 days ago

            Contact your representative

            Right, so that they can ask if I’m stoned or stupid for asking them to affect laws in another country?

            • Orygin@sh.itjust.works
              04·
              22 days ago

              Then this doesn’t impact you in any form. (Especially since it’s just a DoB).
              You can continue to whine but frankly I don’t see the point then.

  • stravanasu@lemmy.ca
    56·
    23 days ago

    Something feels fishy… The user who made this pull request has more than doubled his contributions to various repositories since January (from 20–400 to more than 1100), and this is his first pull request in the systemd repo.

      • Geki@lemmy.ml
        51·
        22 days ago

        That guy is either a massive bootlicker or a fucking plant. Who goes around vulentarily adding birth date fields to EVERY project they can contribute to?

    • LincolnsDogFido@lemmy.zip
      31·
      23 days ago

      Fishy how? As in a state-level backdooring like was the case with XZ and Jia Tan or are you weary of something else?

      • stravanasu@lemmy.ca
        3·
        23 days ago

        That memory surely also prompted this feeling. It’s just that Meta seems to be putting a lot of effort everywhere to push for this. Not so difficult to put, or corrupt, or push, people in dev communities and repos.

  • Liketearsinrain@lemmy.ml
    381·
    23 days ago

    They want to store the actual birthdays (not just a boolean stating it complies with an age bracket). And using claude to review PRs… fucking systemd

  • inmatarian@lemmy.worldEnglish
    34·
    23 days ago

    echo "18+" > ~/.age_rc

    Am I compliant with California’s law now? Apps can use the POSIX API to access my age.

    • Corngood@lemmy.ml
      41·
      23 days ago

      Yes, and you can do the same thing to your child’s non-root account. The point of the California law is to allow admins (parents) to do that.

      • Lysergid@lemmy.ml
        2·
        22 days ago

        As a teenager I was the only person in the house who understands computers. Naturally I was the admin. All this computer “jailing” is so insane to me.

    • Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.world
      815·
      23 days ago

      Yes and that’s fine and everyone freaking out is being dumb.

      There are fascist governments demanding genital inspection for playing highschool sports and they’re losing their shit over an accounts API returning an unverified age bracket!

      • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
        191·
        23 days ago

        There are fascist governments demanding genital inspection for playing highschool sports

        • That is already going on in the very same country we’re discussing.
        • “Things could be even worse, so until things are just as bad as that, don’t complain or try to stop it from getting worse.”
        • Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.world
          310·
          23 days ago

          If you yell that the everything is on fire, over an API that doesn’t do verification, it’s less effective when you yell the same thing over real issues.

          • davel [he/him]@lemmy.mlEnglish
            13·
            23 days ago

            That’s a poor analogy, because nobody is lying, saying things are on fire that aren’t.

            We weren’t born yesterday—or at least I wasn’t. We know where this is going, and it’s folly to wait until almost the end before pushing back.

      • idriss@lemmy.ml
        11·
        22 days ago

        You are really the dumb one for not learning from the past and for not seeing where is this headed once it’s kicked into motion.

  • juipeltje@lemmy.world
    325·
    23 days ago

    Ofcourse the project run by a microslop employee wants to force this on almost every distro as soon as possible.

  • db2@lemmy.world
    293·
    23 days ago

    The answer to the PII issues is hence not restrictions in userdb, the answer is proper app sandboxing. And that even already exists in flatpak! It restricts access to $HOME already, and to userdb too! And that’s the way to do it!

    I don’t use flatpak. I don’t like it. Linux is about choice and I choose not to use that.

    Hence, just embrace app sandboxing! And if you come to me and say “hey, I run all my apps without sandboxing, but i want the birthday hidden anyway” then I can only say, your model is really really broken. Fix your security model first, then come back.

    In the words of the great Linus Torvalds, go fuck yourself.

  • Dæmon S.@calckey.world
    25·
    23 days ago

    @skyline2@lemmy.dbzer0.com @linux@lemmy.ml

    Brazilian here. I’m neither a lawyer nor a specialist, just someone who has read the Portuguese text from the Brazilian flavor of the ongoing worldwide age check set of laws.

    I must note that the Brazilian age check law (Lei 15.211/2025) specifies “vedada a autodeclaração” (English: “self-declaring is forbidden”). This means that this kind of implementation, where age or birthday is an user input, wouldn’t be compliant to Lei 15.211/2025, because it requires the age information to be assessed independently from the user whose age is being assessed. This means face biometrics, government-issued ID (in our case, CPF, CNH, Passaporte and similar) or “behaviorial analysis”… Anything but a “yes I’m 18” or “I was born in day month year”, for those are self-declared and the Law says it’s “not enough”.

    Someone should warn the systemd maintainers of this “Brazilian jabuticaba”.

    (Cross posting this reply of mine because the post was cross posted to two different Lemmy instances)