They should wear civilian clothes and then round up the traitors when they show up and try to maim and kill more people. Then quickly take them to a tribunal before the trump party with immediate consequences.
“Government” work, “government” consequences.
Maybe some of them, but them being highly visible and showing support for the protests is a really nice slap in the administration’s face.
Well thats nice, I hope they keep it up
Supporting citizens’ rights to free expression and peacable assembly is true patriotism.
I mean, if they really want to support these people they need to neutralize the violent troopers who are harassing hurting and killing them. Hot cocoa is a nice gesture, and a lot of important things start with nice gestures, but it can’t end here.
if they really want to support these people they need to neutralize the violent troopers who are harassing hurting and killing them.
They are doing so by being close to the protesters and interacting with them peacefully. Any ICE action would initiate a conflict with the National Guard, which would cause a lot of trouble for them. The National Guard doesn’t have to actually initiate any violence in order to protect the protesters.
The hot cocoa / donuts is not just a gesture, it is an excuse to stand in arm’s reach of the protesters, so that anything like a tear gas grenade would affect them too.
They are treading carefully, while creating positive press stories and preventing ICE from behaving like thugs.
This is great. It is my sincere hope that Janet Mills in Maine takes a clue from Walz’ use of the National Guard in Minnesota, because this is brilliant.
They should follow ICE around to verify warrants
I would fucking love this, however it goes against Posse Comitatus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act Which will protect Minnesotans from the National Guard even if it’s “Federalized” by Trump.
Also this is not to dilute the impact of them handing out coffee and donuts. That is very helpful for morale and for helping people protesting to feel safe enough to invite friends and family to future protests. Which is exactly what they’ll need to build an effective movement.
What they can do though is make sure that ICE cannot respond to protesters with riot gas and also make sure that ICE cannot kettle and beat protestors. They can setup security around public schools, hospitals, and other public spaces to keep ICE away.
IF they are going to be a bulwark between ICE and the people remains to be seen though. The National Guard has a very complicated history when it comes to civil unrest. https://factually.co/fact-checks/military/national-guard-use-as-law-enforcement-in-us-2e5218 and historically https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
There isn’t a lot that the National Guard can really do in regards to ICE as they are essentially a National Security arm under DHS. https://legalclarity.org/when-was-ice-founded-the-agencys-legislative-history/
All this being said, nobody is coming to save the citizens of Minneapolis. They know this, and it’s why they are so heavily organized currently. If you want to help you can donate to a few groups.
https://www.wfmn.org/funds/immigrant-rapid-response/
https://nlgmn.org/get-involved/
More comprehensive list here https://www.standwithminnesota.com/
Posse Comitatus only applies to the feds. The governor can have the Guard escort ICE and keep them from violating the law.
But Walz also knows what’s really happening here. Trump keeps having military deployments stopped by judges, and with all its funding ICE just isn’t big enough to do this shit large scale, so they’ve put all their efforts into Minnesota trying to get the locals to fight back as a justification to invoke the Insurrection Act.
They’re actively trying to get a few ICE goons killed.
Yeah, and administrative warrants aren’t actually warrants and ICE has zero authority to arrest American citizens and its illegal to murder people. Why do the rules only seem to exist when they might help regular people?
You are 100% correct in your outrage. ICE needs to be dissolved. Noem and all other directors need to be jailed. All agents unmasked and tried by city governments they’ve terrorized. All those responsible for aiding and abetting the kidnapping, human trafficking, rape and murders being currently committed by a self admitted gestapo force.
That being said we cannot dilute the moral footing of another institution when we are capable of fighting this ourselves. No one is coming to help us. We keep us safe. If you can donate to any of the above organizations whose mission statement you agree with please do. If you can organize locally please do. Our numbers are our greatest source of power. Solidarity is our greatest weapon.
https://southerncoalition.org/resources/rapid-response-101/
If any one needs further resources let me know.
This is why peaceful protest should always be the first choice and violent action should always be the last resort. You aren’t going to get things like this if it’s a bunch of protestors running around gunning down people
Non violent protest is not peaceful.
https://www.grassrootsthinking.com/nonviolence-is-violence-too-somebodys-gotta-die/
Randomly firing into a group of ICE will absolutely backfire on the movement. But Peaceful protests often are not peaceful before change happens. When you go to a protest understand that you are committing to a dangerous act. The more of us there are, the less the danger, but know always that there is no “Peaceful” protest. There will always be violence from the state. The monopoly of violence is how nations keep and maintain power. Act accordingly.
We need the [violent, armed, body armored] national guard to show up and show us how to “peacefully” protest. Got it.
You aren’t going to get things like this if it’s a bunch of protestors running around gunning down people
No, I guess we just need a number of us to get violently murdered/executed in public before the violent arm of the state comes and gives us hot chocolate.
They are neither armed nor wearing body armor while doing this.
Oh, so they’re going to be wearing this while “protecting people” from ICE? How has that played out in history? There’s a few songs about it…
Shifting the goalposts.
You are in denial about what the presence of National Guard actually means. NG, police, military, etc all exist to protect capital, property, and the assets/interests of the ruling class. Do not think for one single fucking moment that the national guard is here to protect people protesting in the streets. It has never happened ever in history. Quite the opposite. You can think “sHiFtInG gOaL pOsTs” all you want, but you are delusional. This will only end badly.
Police and State Police here in Chicago were sent to Broadview to “protect protestors”. Know what happened? Just guess. They arrested protestors and assisted ICE operations. They faced and formed a wall against protestors, not ICE. If you think the NG is going to be arresting ICE you are out of your goddamned fucking mind and need to read a history book.
Blocked.
Oh no, you’re saying I won’t have to interact with you any more? How will I survive.
Just for anyone who hasn’t yet randomly insulted and then blocked me:
If you think the NG is going to be arresting ICE you are out of your goddamned fucking mind and need to read a history book.
Do not think for one single fucking moment that the national guard is here to protect people protesting in the streets.
Nowhere did I say that I expected them to be doing that. Dude just worked themselves into a froth over absolutely nothing.
Maybe see if this actually accomplishes anything except getting more people killed and dissapeared before you declare victory?
The point of these demonstrations is to get ICE to stop attacking people. Is that goal being achieved here?
This is certainly far from a victory, and I’m not declaring it as such, I’m simply stating that this is a potentially positive outcome that couldn’t be possible with alternative methodology. I’d also point out that arming and protecting oneself is not the same as enacting violence. What the BPs are doing for example is not the same as calling for civil war.
The ONLY way this stops happening is if ICE runs out of people to deploy. That means making their job harder, riskier, less pleasant, and just generally shittier. That means direct action, not dicking around on the side of the road giving them an audience.
I’ve found that anyone advocating “only one way” to do anything to not put a whole lot of conscious thought into their directives.
There is always an alternative. And often those alternatives can be done in parallel.
Anyone who tells you “you should stop doing what youre doing because only my way works” only has their own interests in mind.
Imaginary alternatives that you haven’t even bothered to suggest?
The Guard is milling around with the protesters, in arms reach and in the same place tear gas or pepper spray would be deployed. This is a fantastic way to both show solidarity, respect for the rule of law, and protect innocent folks excercising their rights from ICE. I’d say the comfort level goes up with acts like this and makes it even easier for people to convince friends and family to join in the protest. ICE is already scared to show their faces and apparently losing morale, so I say keep the pressure on with things like this before pulling the trigger and jumping straight to Civil War 2: Everything is Awful Here
I don’t know… I’d imagine ICE thugs are likely to temper their behavior at least a little knowing that there are better trained, better armed forces around keeping an eye on things. They’re cowards at heart.
Victory it isn’t… but it’s a minor improvement.
I kind of wonder what would happen if the nat guard went full malicous compliance.
Oh sure, show us the judicial warrant that says exactly where we’re going and who we’re picking up. We’ll escort you there with sirens blaring to make sure nobody gets hurt
Doesn’t solve the actual problem but would be funny to see the admin frothing at the mouth while gibbering that they need unmarked cars and plain clothes jack boots.
Something something defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
It does not exclude feds from that concise list of enemies.
Talk about a brutal self-inflicted injury. We were worried about the local cops and military backing MAGA, and the unprofessional and reprehensible behavior of the ICE Apes has driven them to our side.
I’m sure MAGA was counting on ICE to intimidate people away from the polls in swing states in November. Now I think there is a pretty good chance that the local cops and National Guard will be there to ensure the polls are safe. If nothing else, it gives governors the excuse to make sure the polls are strongly secure.
My old PCP was also in the national guard for my state, and he was a good guy, and a PA. I think when it comes to state level national guard, Trump and his MAGAt financers have seriously misread the room, and it will probably end up tying their own noose.
Oh please.
Less than two days before ICE & CBP infiltrate by also wearing hi-vis.
The only way this ends is to surround the White House with 100s of armed people. And demand he steps down for violating his oath of office.
Occupy Washington. Setup supply lines with hot food and drinks. Bunker down. This is civil war whether you like it or not. He won’t stop until you stop him with force.
Follow the same ROE as the Black Panthers. Use 2A to enforce your other rights.
We outnumber them by a lot. Keep yelling the same line over loudspeakers non stop. “Your oath is to the Constitution not Trump.”
Be safe in the storm and prepare for your storm. Many of us are there with you from across continents.
Less than two days before ICE & CBP infiltrate by also wearing hi-vis.
That’s a cat and mouse game the good guys can easily win because the good guys are not afraid to show their face, their id, their home address etc. Not saying the bad guys are out of options or that they won’t try to get the upper hand one way or the other though.
