• Dasus@lemmy.world
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    4 个月前

    With Lemmy being like half Russian bots, I think this won’t go amiss.

    #The Russian state and government interfered in the 2024 United States elections through disinformation and propaganda campaigns[1] aimed at damaging Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and other Democrats while boosting the candidacy of Donald Trump and other candidates who support isolationism and undercutting support for Ukraine aid and NATO.[2][3][4][5][6]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2024_United_States_elections

    • Tinidril@midwest.socialEnglish
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      4 个月前

      The part about Biden is true enough. Republicans and Democrats are largely in agreement about the dismantling of the middle class and expansion of the empire. Democrats just want an orderly transition while Republicans want to burn it all down as fast as possible.

  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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    4 个月前

    For whatever reason this kind of campaign tactic had zero effective counter amongst the general electorate. This messaging won. Refuting it was left to the internet forums.

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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        4 个月前

        Seriously. Would Biden have started wars? He certainly didn’t use the leverage he had to end the Gaza war. And he certainly wouldn’t have done anything to help home prices. If he felt Iran was close to a bomb, he certainly would have bombed Tehran. Him or Kamala. Hell, Kamala’s signature kitchen table policy was a bone-headed plan to offer a large tax credit to first-time home buyers. Except that would have done nothing except bid property prices even higher.

        These are objectively true facts. Yet, liberals often are just as prone to cults of personality as Republicans. The same sin of “my side can do no wrong” infects both parties.

        • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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          4 个月前

          And he certainly wouldn’t have done anything to help home prices. If he felt Iran was close to a bomb, he certainly would have bombed Tehran. Him or Kamala. Hell, Kamala’s signature kitchen table policy was a bone-headed plan to offer a large tax credit to first-time home buyers. Except that would have done nothing except bid property prices even higher.

          None of these are “objectively true facts.” This is speculation.

          Maybe Kamala’s house buying plan would have driven up prices a bit. But unless it somehow drove up the costs of all houses by the amount of “free” money, then it still would have been effective for its purpose; getting a house for a first time buyer. You don’t need the same type of help when switching houses.

          The only true fact you have is about Israel.

          • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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            4 个月前

            What’s speculation? Biden oversaw brutal wars and a historic cost of living crisis. I’m not speculating; I’m citing documented history. Did you forget about Gaza and the inflation?

            Or are you just so blind that you assume any criticism of the Dear Leader on the left is an endorsement of the Dear Leader on the right?

            • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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              4 个月前

              Everything happening now and you’re still simping for trump while pretending to be some moral angel. You and your dozen .ml trolls who also love to do this are getting on everyone else’s last nerves.

            • solidheron@sh.itjust.worksOP
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              4 个月前

              the speculation that Biden would bomb Iran over hint of a bomb. also you really think i cant see through you. btw let me know if im too direct 😆

        • Cruxifux@feddit.nl
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          4 个月前

          Liberals piss me off more because I feel like they should know better. They certainly act like they do.

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
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        4 个月前

        What part of anything other than the last sentence is false? And don’t bring up Trump. We’re talking about Biden, not Trump. Some of us aren’t so blind to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump. Biden’s term ended with the US overseeing a brutal war in Gaza and a historic cost of living crisis. You don’t even have to speculate about what Biden would have done, you just have to look at what he actually did.

        Why do you think any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump? You’re trapped in prison of “my team” political thinking. And this thinking is exactly what lead us to Trump in the first place.

        • Wiz@midwest.social
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          4 个月前

          Yes, but in context that was the only alternative at the time. Right?

          Tearing down Biden benefitted Trump.

        • azrv@sh.itjust.works
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          4 个月前

          Here’s the thing though - US voters went into an election with a binary winner-takes-all choice for the head of their executive branch in a country where the executive branch wields an immense amount of power. Some chose to not take part because neither candidate appealed to them. Many made that choice due to a candidate’s foreign policy positions. It is very reasonable to assume that those are votes that would have not gone to the more conservative/regressive side.

          Result: popular vote went to the regressives. And since foreign policy issues could very well have been a cause in this (i.e. people basing their choice to not vote on a candidate’s impacts on foreign populations), the end result is kind of ironic… The death and misery that will result from funding changes in things like PEPFAR, USAID, US funding contributions to various UN programs, refugee programs, etc. will far surpass anything happening in Gaza. Nevermind the incredible economic impacts (and very real resulting human consequences) of tariffs on people in so-called “shithole countries” - like me.

          And that’s not even mentioning the totally foreseeable domestic consequences that US voters are now seeing.

          So tell me again how choosing not to vote in the US presidential election was a morally sound choice?

        • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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          4 个月前

          Biden’s term ended with the US overseeing a brutal war in Gaza and a historic cost of living crisis.

          Yes, I too remember the US invading Palestine to kidnap their leader. I too remember Biden saying they should turn Gaza into a giant casino and beach resort. I definitely remember Biden threatening to invade denmark if sweden won’t give him a medal.

          Why do you think any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump?

          Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other.

          • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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            4 个月前

            Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other.

            Whataboutism. Two things can be true at once.

            • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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              4 个月前

              Whataboutism would be saying “what Biden does is excusable because Trump does it too”.

              So no, it’s not whataboutism.

              • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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                4 个月前

                Are you fucking kidding me? That’s literally the exact thing that you’re saying.

                Them: Here are Biden’s stances, and I consider them inexcusable"

                You: Actually, they are excusable because lists a bunch of stuff Trump did

                If that’s not what you’re saying, then go ahead and explain how Biden’s actions are excusable, why supporting him is defensible, without doing a whataboutism by bringing up Trump doing the same thing. As the other commenter requested.

                I swear, whataboutism is just something y’all made up where the only rule is “I’m always right.” What a load of bull.

                • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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                  4 个月前

                  Whataboutism would be if I said “Biden’s support for the Gaza genocide is acceptable because Trump rapes little girls”. What I actually said was “Biden’s warmongering is nowhere near as severe as Trump’s warmongering”.

                  And the difference matters, because the context was a tweet that says “If you vote for Biden, you will be at war, so you should vote for Trump”.

          • QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works
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            4 个月前

            Well, you see, if there are two candidates, and you say “don’t vote for that one” it’s a defacto endorsement of the other

            Talkies really need to get with the program.

            It’s a two party system. I’d love it if there was a magical third option but that’s not how the electoral college works

  • lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
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    4 个月前

    According to MAGA, no war has yet occurred, only brief strikes & conflicts that quickly ended without declaration of war, which is technically true. This is how they rationalize it so far.

    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
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      4 个月前

      Russia is technically not at war with Ukraine as they have not officially declared it.

      4 years later…

  • nexguy@lemmy.world
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    4 个月前

    The protest non-voters fell for it. Now we get generations of destruction to hopefully heal from.

  • Ech@lemmy.ca
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    4 个月前

    People are just too fucking dumb. Most can only rationalize that current thing bad = current leader bad = different leader better, and there’s no end of grifters taking advantage of that.

    • Mac@mander.xyzEnglish
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      4 个月前

      I’m glad people are coming around on the idea that people are too stupid to vote.

    • Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
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      4 个月前

      sexism and racism is what they voted for, cant have a black person they made that mistake in 08 with obama, plus no women ever.

    • solidheron@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      4 个月前

      yeah primaries was a train wreak in slow mo. like I was telling people I did not give a crap that Kamala was chosen by Biden as a successor she’s still better than trump by far. I couldn’t really think of any reason from them to vote for trump

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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    4 个月前

    I’m glad my fellow citizens saw through the bs and overrode my vote to keep us happy and safe.

    Disclaimer: I might have voted for him because lesser of, but fuck Biden and his ineffective admin. Hey libs: the orange man would have been in jail in a competently run country. Fucking travesty.