In my country (and most western countries as well), there has been a cultural projection of demonizing russia and its populace since at least the end of the napoleonic war. What is progressive about helping further that project with more intellectually sound criticism of russia? I am not russian. Is that not in fact the cultural imperialism by the west that demands that even revolutionaries must use their words to further strengthen its reach?
The demand of the western left to be ever critical of revisionist and communist states before is ridiculous - culture is swamped with antagonism against them already. Its is an demand to ease western chauvinist narratives into our own. It is 2025 not 1914 - there are no “camps”. It is a few states, many of which are not as independent of the us as many like to believe, against a global empire.
Russia is not a far right country ,in fact Russia is one of the ONLY counties in Europe not led by a fascist maniac
If you know anything about geopolitics you would know that Russia is opposed by right wingers in the global south but supported by left wingers ,example (election with a pro trump candidate vs a pro Putin candidate)
Also let’s look at Putin’s policies : more tolerant on immigration than the USA ,Germany ,Poland ,Baltic states ,France
Abortion is legal and will likely never be removed as a right
Muslims and ethnic minorities are actually protected by the state
Is NOT viewed as a nationalist
His MAIN opponents are Nazis ,Neo Nazis ,monarchists (who are also Neo Nazis) , NeoLibs who want to privatize Russia
Is Putin a communist ? No he’s not and Russia is not a communist country by any means but that doesn’t fucking matter ,there are ONLY 5 communist countries on the fucking planet
And I hate this absolutely braindead thing from westerners not libs but comrades about Putin being a fascist ,I don’t respect liberals so I don’t care but I hate when our comrades say this while simultaneously defending Bashar Al Assad (rightfully)
If Bashar isn’t a fascist (he isn’t but he has more reactionary opinions than Putin) than Putin isn’t
Also as for the Russia is anti communist thing ,yes I don’t care ,Russia is not even close to being the most anti communist country in the world proven by the fact it’s literally an ally of communist states and Putin is not much of an anti communist as a lot of Russian are these days (unfortunately) as well as his opposition
Putin also isn’t really a dictator but this one is more complicated as elections are rigged in Russia just not to a full extent ,most Russians would vote for Putin even if elections were completely fair but there is indeed corruption
Sorry for how angry I have been but I can’t tolerate nonsense
And please mods I’m not gonna deal with any of the libs that will reply to this comment ,it’s your job
Russian liberals are amongst the most racist, islamophobic and western-servile people imaginable. They would sell out their grandma for a tacky overpriced western “luxury item”. That alone should be an indication that russia is conservative and reactionary but aligned with the progressive forces of history. And so ironically pro-putin russians are driven closer to internationalism than the average western leftist is.
I’m from country with HEAVY anty-russian propaganda, so you know, Russia bad. Could someone point me into the direction on materials about Russia with more balanced point of view?
The current war in Ukraine would never have happened if Ukraine had bothered to implement the Minsk Agreements.
They would have gotten back ALL of their territory lost during the civil war excluding Crimea (which they’re never getting back anyway), on the account that they have to stop pursuing ethnic cleansing policies in the eastern regions (the Minsk Agreements explicitly gave some level of cultural autonomy to the provincial governments so the Rada cannot, for example, simply impose a ban on the Russian language on a whim like they did on February 2014, which sparked the civil war in the first place).
Ukrainian fascists chose no, they cannot live without ethnic cleansing the Russians. So now they are going to lose everything.
I’m from country with HEAVY anty-russian propaganda
Do you have any idea how much that lowers it down 😭
🤔 let me think for this one ,I’m sure some comrades here have something
Do you have any idea how much that lowers it down
It’s my favorite thing when neoliberal slime appropriate the stupidest elements of Trotskyism.
Also, I have no respect for anyone who uses the word “oligarch” to mean “Asiatic-style capitalist” and I struggle to conceive how professed anticapitalists can still like her. Well, of course I can, she’s part of their consumer lifestyle brand, she’s an affectation of quippy, artsy, intellectualism that is so much more effective at bringing about real change by punching left over and over and over.
Lenin invented revolutionary defeatism and it lead to the revolution. Luxemburg and Liebknecht said the main enemy is at home. From both follows, that the main task of leftists in the imperial core is, to oppose “our” imperialists. The ones we actually can affect. I’m happy if I see comrades in Russia do work against their oligarchy but I won’t get tricked into supporting western oligarchs’ NATO wars. Guess that’s campsist now? It just makes sense to spend time and resources where they actually change things - unless you don’t really want fundamental change, because you enjoy your white western privilege too much.
From both follows, that the main task of leftists in the imperial core is, to oppose “our” imperialists. The ones we actually can affect. I’m happy if I see comrades in Russia do work against their oligarchy but I won’t get tricked into supporting western oligarchs’ NATO wars.
Pretty good way of putting it, comrade! I’ll definitely try to explain it along those lines next time I chat with my more liberal leaning progressives.
Yeah this is how I frame it always. There is nothing I can do to affect a change in Russian policy from the US as a broke ass communist. All I can do is organize and speak out against/try to undermine our own imperial forces. Same with when people talk about Chinese data harvesting, I give not one fuck what china has of my internet data why would they give a fuck about me? I do care about my data being in the hands of corporate black box algorithms and US federal agencies.
Ok Contra, but you don’t support any opposition, State or non-State.
You don’t have any problem with the state or capital, only see those running it as incompetent and wish they’d fulfill their part of the class collaborationism deal.
She supports the only opposition that matters: democrats and socdem video essayists
No, those aren’t an opposition. They’re people who peddle ideas to the government and hope to take the wheel for a few years.
Calling people “campists” while retweeting the NAFO camp.
Trotsky, the inventor of the term “campist”, thought that the trial in the process of decapitating the CPUSA would be a great platform to offer testimony to warn the world of the evils of Stalinism and tried to work with the US government to testify. It only fell through because they decided they had no use for him.
Wow what a fuckin tool.
All while the usa is preparing to invade and slaughter a country of 90million together with his bestie, little hitler
It’s crazy that anyone who glazed Hillary of all people is taken seriously in any capacity amongst left leaning people.
To be fair, she had a good video or two…ten years ago. Now its just “look at me i have money and lol tankies mad.” Its been that way for 9 years at least, I clocked that shit a mile ago.
If people pay you to live your life like that, cool, great, get the bag. But don’t pretend to be some arbiter of the left when you’re cozying up to
Idk, I could be wrong, im speaking after not having seen any of her content for a decade…but something tells me im not.
“They dont want power, they want to critique power”
No fuck you we want power why did we spend all that time and effort trying to elect local socialists in my city? Why was PSL on the presidential ballot in a lot of states? What is wrong with critiquing power anyways?
She’s still mad at Ralph Nader ,she is a liberal
You are right. In her most recent video she calls herself a liberal and this time she seems to mean it, even if she can’t fully remove the smirk from her face as she says it. And she keeps punching left for no reason and in ways that shouldn’t even make sense to a liberal who has, like, actually talked to a Marxist before, even for one tweet.
I would like Natalie to tell me which western country will support any newly socialist country.
Of course we oppose them. These alternative enemies of the west will occasionally support socialist states.
Does she even claim to be a socialist? She only ever talks about cultural issues and “deradicalization.” I appreciate her for having been an important part of my process of learning about politics several years ago, but she barely talks about anything economic ever.
She never did. She flirted with more radical left positions pre-transition, when she was struggling financially - a wonder why. But when she gained social acceptance when she approached a more social acceptable form of gender expression and financial “stability” she quickly discarded the community that embraced her. Its a perfect exemplary case of the opportunist streak amongst the left.
Not to my knowledge but the point stands. Do not be surprised that the socialists oppose the countries that are our greatest enemies while being strategically supportive of reactionary countries that aren’t our outright opponents.
I am once again screaming into the void that is the yankoid skull “YOU GOT WHAT YOU FUCKING WANTED, YOU DISSOLVED THE USSR, YOU WON, PUTIN IS LITERALLY YOUR GUY, SHUT THE FUCK UP”
The USSR was a vastly more rational geopolitical actor it’s astounding the Yankoid brain still counts transferring control of a giant nuclear arsenal to a less reliable government as “winning.”
I hate them. I hate them so fucking much.
Ok I have to disagree ,Russia is not any less rational than the USSR was under Brezhnev
“Niger should continue to be colonized by the French” - this woman
Both criticisms are just making shit up because they are incurious. “Tankies” always have long explanations for countries they critically support in various actions or just, you know, don’t racistly villify as existential evils.
“campist”
Literally just “voting for the lesser evil” but applied to geopolitics.
campism also makes no sense. There are no “equal” camps. Its not German Empire vs French Empire vs Italian Empire vs Japanese Empire vs British Empire vs Russian Empire vs Austrian Empire.
except it’s not even that.
We don’t require that people “vote for Russia” or “vote for Iran”
We just require that our own nation doesn’t attack others. We vote “No War” as opposed to “War”
The bar is so low for social chauvinists, all they need to do to be absolved of their sins of chauvinism is to oppose their own country’s war. They can’t even clear that.
jesus, they’re gonna bring back “campists”? I thought they already exhausted that one past its expiration date back in 2020 or something?
“Campism” in practice always just looks like “knowing what side you’re on and rooting for outcomes accordingly.”
Streamers and other e-celebs who make their money off of “challenging people’s ideas online” (contain your laughter!) hate the idea of people making up their minds and moving on.
Endless Debate Club is what they want. Endless content drama.
Liberals keep raiding the Trotskyist piggybank for left-punching terms. Once campist gets used up in 10 years they’ll go with “left-deviationist” or something.
Libs will use “ultras” in 5 years.
I’ve already seen it use sometimes. They’re definitely using “purist” in the exact same way.
They’ll circle back to Stalinists eventually
Remember when she said she was going to become a white liberal woman and we laughed at the bit. I am starting to think it wasn’t just a bit.
going to become a white liberal woman
Nah, I think she was a soc-dem at least at some point
Nah, there was a time where her stuff had potential. I think maybe before she got mixed up with genX vs GenZ queer discourse.
soc-dem
she was already called a liberal white woman.
Yeah, but a liberal couldn’t have posted as hard as she did in her prime before she because enraptured by beauty
it’s safe and comfy to her. i don’t think she goes outside much.
she seems really driven by anxiety and social anxiety
my kind of materialist analysis
