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Broke: Car C is being a responsible, safety focused driver
Woke: Car C is holding up traffic for no good reason
Bespoke: Car Pink is whipping around that turn at 80 kmph and going to kill everyone anyone, so don’t sweet it.
Just go right over the center and see if you can clear C and D.
My favorite is when the pink car stops to allow car ‘A’ to go 🙃
“if I randomly stop in the middle of the road so another car can get in, the car right behind me probably won’t hit me”
Cyclist here.
Someone did that for me, so I tried to rush across the street to not hold up traffic.
Woke up a few weeks later in physical rehab, not remembering anything because of the TBI. Evidently I was in the hospital for about three weeks. No recollection!
Then there is this cluster fuck of a roundabout in my city Lansing, MI. Yes they do have a full STOP sign at each entrance to the roundabout for the crosswalk not just a stop for pedestrians which would make more sense. So you have to stop then yield to circle traffic then go. The entire roundabout is useless because once you stop you lose the benefit.
Roundabouts are not just for efficiency, they are for safety. A regular 4-way intersection introduces multiple conflicts between cars turning left and cars coming from the opposite direction.
A roundabout only has one conflict for each connecting street, and the right of way is clearly defined.
They also change the angle of impacts to be less severe since they should effectively eliminate a t-bone type impact.
And collisions will be at a lower speed since no one will be blasting straight through the intersection. Unless someone really fucks up.
the sequel to Michigan left
Not everybody is cut out to drive (i.e. to operate dangerous heavy machinery in a fast-changing environment with others depending on you handling the situation correctly). The problem is when we structure our societies requiring everyone to do so to participate.
I mean, nothing here is wrong but I have rarely had C being my primary issue when dealing with roundabouts. Idiots randomly entering the circle with no regard to other cars, THAT I’ve encountered quite frequently…
Ah yes, car E driven by Leeeerrroooooyyyy Jenkins
That’s because Americans don’t know how to use them, once you live in a place where people use them OPs picture becomes your issue and you never see yours.
Americans have a hard time driving, period. They can’t “keep right unless passing”, they can’t understand 4-way stops, they can’t understand traffic circles, and so much more. So frustrating and dangerous here.
Yesterday, I had to drive for at least 15 miles behind a transfer truck doing 45 because an idiot decided to cruise in the passing lane right beside it. I see it at least once a week.
What’s so hard about understanding the left lane is THE PASSING LANE. FOR PASSING CARS IN THE RIGHT LANE?!
It’s completely F’d up. In the region I live in there are a lot of 3-lane highways (6 lanes total). People “cruise” in the #2 lane and treat it like the slow lane which forces faster traffic left and right around them in the #1 and #3 lanes sometimes going 5 under the limit, often confounded by a #1 lane camper going the speed limit or just a few over. Nobody obeys any sort of rule or has a clue they aren’t being the asshole. They refuse to keep right or yield to faster traffic.
I know that „there must be a German word for that“ is became a meme, with lot of fake words being thrown around, but I’m not even joking: There’s a German word for that lol ✨Mittelspurschleicher✨
The only real problem I regularly encounter is on two lane roundabouts.
If you want to take the first exit you need to enter in the passenger side lane.
If you want to take any exit after the second you need to enter in the driver’s side lane.
If you enter in the passenger side lane, you must take the first or second exit. Taking any exit after the second from the “outside” lane is gonna cause an accident.
I see this happen a few times a year. It’s so common that most drivers foresee it.
Biggest problem I encounter is people failing to signal their exit
So I end up being C because I yield to a bunch of bozos who didn’t communicate they were’t going to come my way
Well we can kinda only go when the signal is accompanied by another indication like slowing and or beginning to turn - “never trust a signal” eh?
I knew a girl who was instructed to turn left at a roundabout, so she proceeded to turn left when merging into the roundabout.
Poor girl, fortunately everything was fine (she did fail, but no accidents) but that’s a special kind of ‘too literal’ that loops back around to being dumb.
And that’s why turn-by-turn navigation systems phrase it as “take the third exit from the roundabout” these days.
One of the work trucks used to have one that said “Go straight through the roundabout”. It was pretty tempting sometimes to take it at its word…
C is yielding to a pedestrian, but carbrain D cannot fathom yielding to anything smaller than their car.
I’ve been car A and still had car D behind me beep at me. We hate car D.
Were this a 2 lane roundabout, car d would be changing lanes to bypass car c, nearly striking that pedestrian
Pedestrian crossing without traffic lights at a 2 lane roundabout entry? That’s just murderous design.
Try a 3 lane roundabout entry. I cross that shit twice a day on my commute to work every fucking day. Other options are very far out of the way as to make them non-viable.
I always wave on traffic so that I may cross when it is safe. Sometimes, a car stops to let me through, and refuses to move. I won’t go, because I can’t see the other two lanes past the car that is stopped. Four times in the past year, that car was rear ended by a massive fuckoff truck. For whatever reason, they get pissed off at me, not the guy that rear ended them.
I only once encountered it in Czechia near Plzen with 2 lanes. Think it took me 5 minutes before I could/dared. Can’t imagine it with 3. Crazy dangerous situation. Stay safe!
Does turning your head/body to face away from that car that refuses to move help much?
F. The more fundamental problem is that these are all cars, not bikes. Fuck cars.
I’m waiting til it becomes normal for individuals to use old school buses as their commuter vehicles. It’s the inevitable destination of the car size war.
It makes sense because that would also help alleviate the housing crisis.
Well yes, but actually bikes wouldn’t even need a roundabout with rules like this in the first place.
Replace the pink car with a bicycle an A is suddenly not being in the mood to yield anymore.
I was going straight once and had to go back in and do a full turn (180° + 360°) because of that.
I’m a daily cyclist and I think I’d be terrified to bike through a full roundabout. They’re absolutely marvelous designs for throughput that doesn’t require complex signal automation, but the flip side of that is they’re pretty hostile if you’re not a motor vehicle. Any truly good roundabout design should include pedestrian and cycle paths along the periphery that have priority when crossing the circles entrances.
On the other hand, I am not expecting a cycle path for me when I am going around the normal road speed. Just if people start understanding the cycles are also traffic and not something to be plo’d over.
But that’s not the thing either. It feels like people are just playing a game of ‘chcken’ all over the place.
Turnabout fucking sucks.
Way more go wrong than lights, increase car to car interactions massively, inappropriate european fad. This for place that don’t mind getting bog down doing more than an hour to get 50km away because they don’t have important things to do
Better than 4-way stop signs, fuck that noise.
I’ll just put this here so people can actually get som real info and not the nonsense you are spewing.
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Thanks so much, very cool
I won’t be reading roubdabout propaganda and the reader shouldn’t either. We seen first hand these things proliferate and make driving even more of a chore dumped on travellers willy nilly.
Traffic circles are safer, reduce maintenance costs, slows the fucking speeders and more efficient than your fucking stop sign and signal intersections.
Mfs don’t even stop at stop signs anymore, they just slowly crawl and go. It’s like the overuse of the stop signs made them into a fancy yeild sign.
Turns travel into a slog. Turnabout land is infected, essentially a cancerous mass growing out of the city, taking over the land, urbanisation.
Wait until you see the magic roundabout in the UK. It’s a “close your eyes, pray and hit the gas” type of place.
I’ve seen this so often before and I still don’t understand why they didn’t just build an ordinary roundabout. It’s just six roads that meet there. That’s not beyond ordinary roundabout capabilities. Who said “you know what, let’s just do a circular arrangement of five roundabouts here, that’s so much better than what people are used to”?
And the whole set of problems only exist because there are too many cars.
ITT: People road raging over imaginary traffic.
