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I think the fundamental problem with the AR glasses is something that can’t be overcome.
I think its easy to see the utility to owning a pair of glasses that look good and provide real time information as desired for what you are looking at or hearing.
HOWEVER, I think very few people will want the product these co.panies will make. This will be a method to throw ads literally in front of your eyeballs. Enshitification is too big of a thing now and so any new product is tainted by the expectation it will rapidly turn to garbage at a high price to you.
Also, while we may think we can be trusted, we dont trust anyone else having all that info, I dont like the obvious privacy implications that these can present. Filming with them is also terrifying.
So, just to be clear, that ‘something that can’t be overcome’ is… checks notes capitalism?
You might be giving people too much credit here because the same things could be said about a lot of products and services that have come out over the last 10 years
Good, I wanna see Apple flop just like Meta’s VR nonsense did.
Why do you people hate VR?
Bcz it sucks.
So isn’t it a good thing these companies are trying to make it not suck?
How is Quest a flop? Or are you talking about something else?
Bot quest and ray band products are huge success dominating their respective markets.
I really wish people were more serious about these markets so it can be done well from the get got rather than starting to be fixed and regulated 2 decades later.
Having borrowed a quest 3 last week I’ve almost pulled trigger on buying one.
The only thing holding me back is… it’s Meta.
There’s a big piracy scene on Quest so if you really put in the effort you’re not giving these evil assholes much but generally I agree. There’s so much entertainment and things to do that I can really wait a bit longer as VR is not going away.
I believe its still the rookie group doing it, its automated well too and I even got it to work on linux.
And I care zero about ever purchasing those things.
This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me. There are so few real applications and the hardware requirements are insane so it’s not something that will get widely adapted anyway. Sure in a decade or so it might have matured enough to have shed all these issues, but AR/VR feels like a really out of touch thing to prusue, especially if you look at the garbage ideas they have on how to use it - virtual meetings??
I get movies and games on these, possibly even some recording and porn, but these are not their B2B wet dreams anyway.
In theory, there’s a Million awesome business applications for it.
Let’s say you’re in construction and your glasses tell you exactly what to build where and how.
You’re a waiter and the glasses tell you which table ordered what, needs attention, etc.
You’re a network engineer and the glasses show you on every port which device is connected.
And don’t even get me started on the military applications.
Of course we’re not there yet. But that’s why they’re so obsessed with it. They want to be the first.
In the current US political climate, giving everyone glasses with always-on cameras run by big tech companies seems particularly dangerous.
I agree. But unfortunately, nobody gives a flying fuck.
I think for the most part society has gotten used to being on someone’s camera when in public at pretty much all times.
It’s something I used to think about, now I just, don’t.
Everyone has been looking for the next big hardware thing. It looked like it might be foldable phones for a little while but I reckon AR Glasses are the ultimate endgame until they start making bio implants.
Imagine being anyone anywhere whipped like an Amazon worker. Will the waitress have to piss in bottles? Bad for tips I think.
Even lightweight glasses can be irritating and the extra weight from steel v plastic is noticeable. There will never be ar glasses or goggles that are comfortable to wear all the time.
How does the construction app know what needs to be constructed and how?
How does the waiter app know which table ordered what, needs attention, etc?
How does the IT app know on which port every device is connected?
These things are all real hard to know. Having glasses that display the knowledge could be really nice but for all these magic future apps, having a display is only part of the need.
As somebody who wanted google glass back in the day and thinks AR glasses would be really really cool, this is ultimately where I end up on it, and with a lot of tech in general: the primary usefulness of any of this shit is in accurate and relevant information, and that’s the part of the equation that these big companies are definitely NOT in the business of producing. In fact, they seem to have discovered a while back that inaccurate and irrelevant information being blasted in your face is the real money maker. And now with AI/ML producing so much/filling in gaps, I just can’t imagine that it’s going to get any better.
That being said, I think the tech is so cool. I’d love to travel to a new city and be able to get directions around to different sightseeing spots and real time star ratings above all the restaurants instead of anxiously glancing at my phone the entire time. If we ever get to that level of goodness I’m in, but I have a lot of doubts that it’ll ever be more than another attention-seeking thing attached to your body.
If you have all that info you could probably remove the human from the equation and automate it.
As for the NPC-Waiter 🤢
Sounds like a robot would just steal your job if that was implemented well. (And that is a big IF) Meanwhile you would pay off your AR glasses by watching a constant stream of ads for months.
All of this can be done with AR on a mobile phone.
Only when you need to do this AND have both hands free do AR glasses become necessary. So surgery, bomb refusal or something niche like thar.
This might be the dumbest take I’ve heard today.
Everything your smartphone does your laptop can do, too. Therefore, smartphones are useless!!
Everything AR can do that your smartphone can do today will be a hundred times more convenient because you don’t have to carry a slab of glass with you all the time. You just have to wear glasses. Like I already do anyway.
The only reason for smartphones to still exist in a world where AR is compact will be if we can’t figure out a way to efficiently input data without annoying everyone around us. As soon as that problem’s solved, nobody will be using smartphones anymore.
I need a good reason to spend $2000 to do something I can already do with a $100 phone. Using 2 hands is very niche.
This might be the dumbest take I’ve heard today.
You’re forgetting that AR headgear requires to WEAR THAT THING ON YOUR FACE AT ALL TIMES
No matter how compact (don’t even start talking about some techbro “all conteined in a lens” type of shit), there will absolutely, always be people who will refuse to wear it. (Ask any former glasses user who went for contact lenses)
A phone you glance at and is in your pocket only when you need it is a million times more convenient than something that goes over your eyes all of the time.
Your world where external compact computing devices (phone/tablet/smartwatch/a slab of glass) are no longer needed is mostly constructed out of flatulence of the technology brotherhood.
overlaying ads on literally everything could be the end goal.
Apple is not that strong in the overlaying ads over everything department though.
I’d really just like some glasses that simulate multiple monitors without needing special software. That’s all I want
Yep, and that seems to be the route Apple was going. Screens you can place anywhere in your visual field.
Gotta need some insane resolution for that right? And 1000hz refresh to make things good I guess.
I mean for text editing, coding etc.
Yep I’ve played with virtual monitors in VR space and I don’t even like watching movies on them, the loss in resolution and the way the dynamic aspect of it (using a moving screen to simulate a static screen) makes it a shitty solution. Eventually it’ll be good enough to watch TV in but I can’t imagine doing serious work in it.
Quest 3 lens and displays actually are nice to look at, I coded for 5 hours in it the other day, and the only glaring flaw was the weight. My forehead hurt afterwards from the pressure, and I wasn’t even using stock strap. The stock strap on quest headsets is known to be terrible. Tbf I only have a 1080p monitor for comparison bur its nice.
If you tried on anything lower than a Quest 3 with Virtual Desktop, you were right.
Quest 3 was the first VR headset to make virtual screens worth it. The clarity of pancake lenses cannot be overstated. The Quest pro technically had them too, but it wasn’t quite good enough in some of the other aspects.
A Quest 3 with Virtual Desktop has replaced my TV and monitor because it was an upgrade to both. Even if all I did was placed those screens statically exactly where they used to be in real life. But of course, they can be anywhere, any size. The screens are 4k 120hz, good enough for pretty much anything. Once you get to about 80 degrees field of view, every pixel of a 4k 60hz signal can be temporally represented. Your head micromoves enough that you aren’t missing any detail between each frame of the reference taking up two of the headsets frames. And when playing a game in actual 120 fps, you won’t notice that you aren’t seeing every single pixel directly physically represented every single frame, it looks good. Worth doing. 4k still looks much nicer than 1440p, which can be fully properly represented at that size and framerate.
Using anything other than Virtual Desktop, there is no need to set a monitor any higher than 1080p since they can’t even draw that well enough to be properly represented. Virtual desktop is the only one that uses timewarp layers. If you were around for Carmack, you’ll know that was always his first advice to every piece of VR software he reviewed, “please use timewarp layers for anything you want to look clear face-on” it’s a huge difference.
Interesting. Ok, I will give it another go at some point. I had an Oculus Rift and there was a ton of promise but the tech was just not ready.
Oh yeah, for sure. The rift was great for it’s time, but it is straight up comparitively garbage compared to what is out now. Wireless is now even more stable than the rift was at tracking, and the screens are so high res and they can decode at such speed that a wireless feed is almost as low latency and is much higher fidelity than what the Rift could do. There are still wired headsets that would be more clear nowadays, but with Virtual Desktop, the downsides to streaming wirelessly are pretty minimal.
Definitely get a demo of a Quest 3 if you can, or better. Though keep in mind the 3s isn’t better, despite being newer, it is “s” in the same sense that smart phones tend to use it, it’s a newer generation, but a cheaper lower end headset. A really good value. But it doesn’t have pancake lenses, the most important part of the Quest 3, and clearly most expensive part, lol.
Wireless headsets can just be used anywhere, especially when you are in AR mode or playing something mixed reality. But they are still at their best when using your computer through them. Although, you don’t have to. Their standalone games are basically xbox 360/PS3 level graphics, not amazing, but not really a problem. Most of what graphics have advanced by since then is just less “faking” stuff to look almost exactly right anyway and more rendering it in insanely computationally demanding ways to make it look 10% more right.
With Virtual Desktop, my computer is now in every room of my house, including the ones where I get to lay back in a recliner. And my computer is also at all my friends and family’s houses. And with cell-phone tethering, it can be on a bus, or a hotel room where I don’t want to use their wi-fi. Sometimes the cell connection is bad enough that I have to lower the resolution or framerate, but often times 4k 120hz is still viable on cell. Just has a bit more latency, so some game types are contraindicated. A 4k 120hz stream only needs about 25mbit to be clear enough to be worth using over a lower resolution or framerate. And cell latency can be as low as 5ms nowadays. 4g could only go as low as 200ms, 5g can theoretically go as low as 1ms, but obviously in practice that is almost impossible.
I did have fun with the novelty of moving multiple screens around like Minority Report but it really is just a novelty at this point
I want a GTA style HUD at all times 🤪
Current wanted level by the police would be quite handy
Health bar, bank account balance, number of steps in the day, calories burned, my next calendar event
Arguably just gps instructions and step tracking superimposed on reality would be a great use of AR
What should they be pursuing now? They have state of the art chips, tablets, phones, laptops and even all in one desktops, the only thing they don’t have are TV’s, at this point why not try to conquer the next frontier. even if it takes a decade?
A Quest 3 isn’t “insane.” It does AR just fine for a few hundred bucks. There ARE real world applications and more coming all the time. The education and medical fields in particular can benefit greatly from such tech.
It’s been over a decade since the oculus rift came out and there hasn’t been much improvement.
This AR obsession is utterly baffling to me.
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It’s a mobile phone you don’t need to hold.
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It’s a mobile phone that never goes in your pocket.
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It’s a mobile phone that is always on and has access to everything you see and hear.
It’s a bummer than those sound like bad things simply because corporate abuse is always a forgone conclusion. If your data was truly private and always entirely under your control and ONLY your control, those would be really attractive features.
Some implementations also have the problem of constantly pointing cameras at non-consenting passers-by.
Totally. I’d also love to train a LLM on my own personal data and preferences, but there is no way I’m trusting a corporation that information.
Sounds like a fucking nightmare, but a wet dream to Big Tech.
That’s pill. They just have to sugar coat it enough for everyone to swallow it (like we did with phones).
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There are a lot of things at Apple that I, as the paying customer, would rather Cook care more about than AR/VR boondoggles.
Being able to keep a screen in front of the user at all times is the goal. This is one step closer to replacing the eyes Cyberpunk style.
This is why Siri and Apple Intelligence is so important to Apple, getting away an actual keyboard will make this more addicting. They can decide what to show you before you even start thinking about it!
Corporations would love being able to not only know where you are at all times, but now they have the tech to see exactly what you see!
it’s not that complicated, the goal is to create another hit product that everyone wants like the ipod and iphone.
They already did this with Google glass and failed spectacularly. There is no market for this. Nobody is wishing they had computer glasses. It is something being forced onto consumers for the benefit of apple and it will not work.
You’d think with the massive failure of their apple vision they’d have learned this lesson already.
I’m not even a huge proponent of AR glasses, but i think that’s a pretty shortsighted view. AR/VR tech was still in its infancy when google decided to drop it (as they do with many beloved products btw), and Apple has a history of repackaging/refining products in a way that allows them to catch on. Apple Vision is by all accounts a cool product, just still way too expensive for mainstream use. The tech is still maturing. I’m not saying Apple will for sure succeed, but it’s just silly to outright claim “there is no market for this”.
also “forced onto consumers”? no one is being forced to buy anything, what a ridiculous take.
You are complaining about me pointing out that there is zero DEMAND for this product. Nobody is asking for “Augmented reality” or whatever. It is not innovative or moving technology forward it’s literally an excuse to harvest a million more data points per minute for no benefit to the end user.
You seriously can’t comprehend how these companies use, manipulate, and coerce you to create a false demand for this slop? There is plenty of great literature on the subject, and if you’d like I can direct you to people with expertise to explain the concepts. Just stop mindlessly accepting and defending this behavior and stand up for yourself as a consumer.
firstly, just because you say so doesn’t mean there is ZERO market for it.
secondly, of course there isn’t significant demand for it yet it’s a completely new technology and the use case is still being explored. people can’t demand what doesn’t exist.
Thirdly, show me exactly where companies are “coercing” us to create demand for AR. of course i realize there are extreme marketing campaigns that try unecessarily hard to push products like AI, but that is obviously not happening with AR.
Just stop mindlessly accepting and defending this behavior and stand up for yourself as a consumer.
finally, if you seriously can’t comprehend any way at all that AR could be helpful then you are just as mindless as you are accusing me of being. stop being an arrogant asshole and consider that people can disagree with you without being “mindless”.
I think Lemmy is a bit of a chamber of white, technology-oriented men. People here think that most people are OK with wearing technology on their face.
Ironically, we’re also very Privacy-oriented, but everyone’s kind of forgetting all the cameras and microphones required to make all this AR tech work.
Someone put it nicely - if I see you with your Google Glass in a public toilet, you’re leaving with a bloody nose.
what does race or gender have anything to do with this?
what makes you think most people wouldn’t be ok with wearing tech on their face?
maybe you are the one forgetting that cameras and microphones are already in all the products that most people already have. how is AR any different?
There’s a gag in Futurama about ads being displayed in your dreams. If that were possible they’d be doing that, but right now they’re settling for just the waking hours.
Next courageous Apple creation:
Such a prescient episode.
Guess what Tim Apple? No one wants them just like no one wanted your stupid headset that I honestly can’t even remember what it was called.
Well I do want this, augmented/virtual reality is exactly the kind of shit I dreamt about as a kid during the 90’s, and having a huge screen available anywhere I go is pretty fucking cool.
But yeah, I used a VR headset exactly once for like 5 minutes, and there’s no way in hell I’d buy one from meta or apple. If Valve releases good XR/AR glasses I might consider it.
I love VR and have multiple devices but the platforms are still really bad. There’s so much jank amplified by all of the greed by Apple and Meta. For example on Apple’s VR device you can’t have multiple users - they were so greedy that they thought they’d sell multiple devices per household.
Can’t wait for Valves Deckard or whatever next VR project they’re working on. Steamdeck is everything a handheld should be and if they can finally nail that in VR it would be awesome.
It sounds cool in theory, but modern tech companies aren’t going to make what you wanted as a kid. Whatever they make will be heavily enshittified.
Hold on a second. For it to be enshittified, it has to be good at the beginning, and I highly doubt that’s possible.
Honestly in five minutes you didn’t do basically anything in VR
I know, I meant that although I’m interested in the tech I’ve barely tried it.
why? AR has always been superior to VR in terms of technology. i had hopes googles and later microsofts demo a few years back would take off but the tech just couldn’t find a niche market to hold onto and its just taken a backseat because it isn’t as gimmicky and easy to market to a ready-to-burn-money demography as VR (gaming). AR has actual real-life every-day application. as long as Apple does it well, competitors will follow, and as they do, we’ll actually be able to use it one day.
But you’re going to get a lot of people who don’t want to be around Glassholes as all AR includes a camera.
Classic Tim Apple.
Google already made AR glasses and they failed. Not because the product was bad, but because AR is stupid and has such a niche case that it’s practically worthless.
He’s f*** detached
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I mean, AR is pretty awesome to be fair.
Never from big stock market corpos. Fuck their “vision”.
Luigi :)
I feel like it’s a CEO’s job to care about all aspects of the company he is supposed to lead.
Nope. Only profit.
I would love to have a good pair of ar glasses to play games on my Steam Deck with. Connect a controller, and not have to hold up the heavy Deck itself.
But given Apple’s propensity for walled gardens and lock-in, and Meta putting manipulative spyware into everything they make, these hypothetical glasses won’t be coming from either of those companies.
I’ve got prosaspoagnosia, I just want them to display little name tags under the faces of people that I know.
Look into Xreal glasses.
It’s the smartwatch bullshit all over again.
1 in 10 have one
9 in 10 don’t care and never did
Wdym lol smartwatches are everywhere now.
1 in 10 is still a lot of people. That’s like every redhead you know territory.
