• Tanis Nikana@lemmy.world
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    12 days ago

    Here’s the problem: the one with the purple hair wants civil rights and safety, and the one with the red hat wants to punch the one with the purple hair repeatedly. Can’t really compromise like that. Need to fight red hat and billionaire at the same time, which is bullshit.

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      Ok but that’s a reductive view of human beings. Average MAGA folks are uneducated and propagandized, but they aren’t evil and viewing them as such feeds into the culture war.

      You need to construct a vision of society that allows both to succeed. Everyone is struggling these days and you need to construct a society that values all people.

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        Ok but that’s a reductive view of human beings. Average MAGA folks are uneducated and propagandized, but they aren’t evil and viewing them as such feeds into the culture war.

        wow, I guess you should tell them to stop being dicks instead of coming to leftwing spaces and telling us to hug the bullies.

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    11 days ago

    Many that fight for civic rights, also fight the class war, protesting for both

    Civil rights are actually a good platform to spread social awareness

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    12 days ago

    this meme is dumb and short-sighted and the commenters are right.

    it isnt a culture war conservatives are inciting, it is a war on civil rights.

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      11 days ago

      In much of the public’s eye, it is a culture war. That’s what determined their vote and support.

      The whole point of eroding civil rights is to help billionaires.

      Always has been.

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        The public gets things wrong, that’s why it’s important to set the record straight rather than serve up pablum.

        “The whole point of eroding civil rights is to help billionaires…”

        claiming an absolute regarding complex and differentiated issues is how you know something is pablum.

        The long-term conservative judicial and legislative campaign the meme incorrectly refers to has a lot to do with race and religion, for example.

        “Always has been”.

        this is just a line from a short-sighted meme that is often incorrectly used, including here by you. it’s a fun phrase that means nothing, it’s confetti stuck in your sock.

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    It’s not a culture war if they make policy based on it. Can’t really be shouting from the fence at the migrants being detained, put in camps and deported or the women being denied abortions or the trans people being arrested for having to pee that the culture war is a distraction and if they only looked at it from a class perspective everything would be fine.

    I mean, you can, but after a while it starts to suspiciously just seem like you actually agree with the fascists and the anarchocapitalists on the issues, or at least that you’re just as willing to use attackig marginalized scapegoats for your own political gain.

  • adm@lemm.ee
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    11 days ago

    They’ve been doing it since reconstruction. I read the opinion once that labor never got true power in America because they kept excluding blacks for a long time. I think about that a lot. Hating a black guy was more important to many labor movements than class solidarity.

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      This is why labor unions really started to fail in the 60s and 70s. The union guys valued race far more than class and the powers of unions diminished.

      They have been doing it well before reconstruction. Once upon a time there wasn’t that much racism in the US, but after Bacon’s rebellion the elites realized that whites and blacks were working together and have since then been pitting them against one another.

      • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
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        They also purged all the communists as a show of good faith to the government (which, uh, didn’t work). Those communists were likely more prone to class solidarity as an ideological commitment and also more willing to fight with radical actions like strikes, but instead we were left with opportunistic leadership that just wanted to secure the bag for themselves, and at best the other members of the union, but had no interest in any building any kind of broad coalition or promoting equality on a societal level - that would make them sound like a Red.

  • Silk@lemm.ee
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    12 days ago

    Check out the most recent Red flag radio podcast episode with April, a tran activist for Rainbow Rights. They discuss how social justice is connected to economic justice, how it’s all tied up in the class earlier against capitalism.