I see some fairly interesting prices for refurbished drives on Amazon, 35~40% cheaper than new. Example here: 16TB Seagate Exos X18 Refurbished at 166€ and New at 260€.

I am considering this option for my home NAS, running with BTRFS RAID10, plus important files are backed-up to a cloud storage, but not my media collection.

In your opinion, how risky is it to use refurbished drives ? Do you have to good or bad experience doing so ?

    • Synapse@lemmy.worldOP
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      11 days ago

      I am checking it out now, they have great deals, even after accounting for the ~40€ shipping, but I am wondering if I will have to pay additional import taxes/duty, not sure how much this would be.

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        At least for sweden they appear to have shipping options with taxes/duty included. I don’t have in front of me right now, but it was something like 200€ all inclusive shipping on a 500€ order. Something like that.

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        I was worried of the same thing, but my purchase of several hundred CAD did not have any duties applied. Of course every country and even purchase can be different.

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          10 days ago

          I just bought a drive from them last month (from Canada) and just received a $60 duty bill. The time before that I got nothing. YMMV

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    Purely anecdotal but I tend to avoid any sensitive hardware purchases off of Amazon because they suck at packaging things a lot of times and I’ve had more than a few DOA components because they just tossed the box into an even larger box then apparently yeeted it down a flight of stairs

    Edit: I should add that I live 10 minutes from a Microcenter which plays a large part in my overall pickiness, but that said, when I’m looking for something sensitive to handling and needs to be purchased online I stick to computer hardware retailers solely because they love packing peanuts and bubble wrap as much as the components love them

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    Don’t buy them off of Amazon. Find some place a little more reputable. You want some sort of legally valid warranty plus seller protection

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      11 days ago

      Hell I don’t even buy “New” on Amazon anymore, it’s all way too shady. If I want a 3d printed novelty I’ll go there, but something I need to know won’t catch fire? No way.

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    It’s a gamble.

    When you lose, you can simply return it.

    When you win, you get a hard drive that works for really cheap.

    I purchased one in 2020 that I still haven’t replaced, although I’m buying the replacement now as it has begun it’s slow certain death.

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      Maybe there is a way I can test the drive upon arrival, would you have some tools to recommend ? Preferably available on Linux ?

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        SMART tools

        sudo apt-get install smartmontools

        sudo smartctl -a /dev/sdX where sdX is your drive in question (sdA, sdB, etc).

        | grep Power_On_Hours

        | grep Power_Cycle_Count

        This just tells you how much that drive was used in the past, It’s not a perfect to test but it’s what I do 🤷‍♂️

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    I’ve had good luck with goharddrive.com. They sell through amazon as well, but I believe they ship direct. I usually get the hgst, or now wd, ultrastar hard drives. I’ve had zero issues.

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    I wouldn’t buy a new Seagate drive, let alone a refurbished one. Every Seagate I’ve ever owned died in less than five years. Every WD I’ve owned lasted until long after their capacity was so far outpaced by newer drives as to be useless.

    Anecdotal, yes, but it’s happened enough to me that I’ve been soured on them for life.

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    Did it once and was disappointed. One was Sata2 instead of 3 and the other was straight up broken

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    11 days ago

    I don’t know if SPD ships to where you are but a manufacturer recertified 16TB from them goes for ~$160. I have 7 drives from them so far, 5 in continuous use since spring, no issues so far.

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      I am checking now, they do deliver to my play, it cost ~40€ for shipping, but they mention this does not include import/duty taxes and I have no idea how much this would cost.

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        I don’t know where exactly you live, but if your in the EU customs/taxes + shipping will make the deal worse, but better than expected.

        E.g. for Germany, this drive would cost 382€ with UPS Saver Duties & Taxes included, instead of 273€ for the drive itself.

        I’ve found the same drive with a local commercial eBay seller for 420€, including taxes and shipping.

        A new 24TB drive would cost 485€.

        Edit: IMO a better deal would be 22TB drives, which have the same price per TB but are new. But then again, their used/recertified price is also ~10% lower than new.

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          Thanks for the advice. I found that the import tax would be 80~100€. I when for eBay Germany, and ordered some drive there: 4x WD Ultrastar DC HC520 12TB, helium-sealed, for 120€ each. I will test them upon receiving and see how it goes from there :)

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            11 days ago

            Great to hear you found my comment helpful.

            Just make sure you make backups regularly. Especially with used drives, I wouldn’t count on them surviving the stress of a rebuild. If a second drive fails in a RAID10, all data might be gone.

            Edit: I’d be thankful if you could report back how the test goes. I need a drive for a backup ;) and I’m considering buying from eBay too.

            I will test them upon receiving and see how it goes from there:)

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    Depends.

    If it’s “buy from Amazon” then you can return it with no issue if shits bad.

    If Amazon is just the middleman, than the seller could be scamming and will either fight returns or just close up shop. I wouldn’t buy any used electronic over $200 from a middle man because of that, so this is kind of on the line.

    But modern HDDs hold up a lot better than they used to. I tend to “ship of Theseus” PC builds and I’ve got some HDDs probably 15 years old that are still going strong.

    I can’t remember the last time I’ve heard anyone say a HDD failed. Just people remembering what it was like 25 years ago. We don’t think of innovation with old tech like HDDs, but there’s been a lot of improvements to the parts that used to fail regularly.

    Exos x18 are enterprise drives that came out last than 5 years ago, I can’t imagine they were replaced because they’re all bad, just companies upgrading to newer tech. So should be fine and last you well over a decade.

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    I buy mine used from eBay. When I receive them, I inspect them, check SMART data, and run a test. I’ve gotten one that had a cracked connector, one with a bunch of bad blocks, stuff like that. I reached out to the sellers and they replaced them at no cost to me.

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      Seems fair compare to the discount. What tool can you recommend for testing the drives ? Do you have some programs that are available on Linux ?

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    a lot of amazon sellers simply mark working pulls as “refubrished” when all they did was reformat or if you are lucky did a zero fill and check that the sectors weren’t bad.

    I don’t trust reburbs that aren’t manufacturer refurbished on any site because its a huge difference in the testing and checking being done.

    I do sometimes buy used drives, but I know what I am getting there vs “refurbished” - and there is usually a pricing difference which is why so many are dishonestly calling used drives refurbs.

    you want to look at the sellers warranty policies. if if they actually have one besides amazons, the seller is confident in their own items longevity