In it, Walz argues that the lessons of the “Jewish Holocaust” should be taught “in the greater context of human rights abuses,” rather than as a unique historical anomaly or as part of a larger unit on World War II. “To exclude other acts of genocide severely limited students’ ability to synthesize the lessons of the Holocaust and the ability to apply them elsewhere,” he wrote.
What an antisemitic, he wants people to learn so such acts of horror never happen again.
I agree with Walz here, the Holocaust was not unique in the sense that genocide is an ongoing feature of human history and events. I also agree with the dude elsewhere in this thread that the Holocaust was unique among genocides, because it was the first industrial genocide. That doesn’t make it worse; we don’t need to play victim olympics. In the grand scheme of things, Walz certainly should not be called antisemitic for saying that we shouldn’t hyperfocus on the Holocaust at the expense of understanding the prevalence of genocide in general, and we should realize the reason he’s being called antisemitic is because, right now, it benefits Israel to derail any broader discussion on the nature of genocide.
It wasn’t even the only genocide in WW2.
*antisemite
I approve of your sarcasm though.
This was actually a discussion I was in on the Marvel movies of all things. They updated Iron Man’s origin by moving it from Vietnam to the Middle East, and the question then became “Well, how do you update Magneto’s origin without the Holocaust?” and I was like “There’s always another genocide… Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia… pick one.”
My thought was you make him a black South African who lost his family to apartheid related violence.
I want young Rohingya Magneto.
You don’t even have to leave WW2 to find another genocide in China.
It wasn’t unique, it wasn’t a “one off”. The unique framing appeals to conservatives as it feeds into exceptionalism and impunity. “We’re special!” It’s those people who only care about stuff when it happens to them. Same as with abortions and “The only moral abortion is my abortion”.
Fundamentally, this is evidence of the failure to generalize learning (what learning is for), a grand failure of intelligence.
It wasn’t unique, it wasn’t a “one off”.
I disagree with the premise, the Holocaust was unique. It was unique in its effectiveness, it was a meticulously planned machinery of death the world has never seen before or after. The Jews weren’t just killed where they could be found, they were caught, cataloged, transported, sorted and then murdered as effectively as possible. Death on a well planned assembly line.
** Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?
No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism. **
The unique framing appeals to conservatives as it feeds into exceptionalism and impunity. “We’re special!” It’s those people who only care about stuff when it happens to them.
That’s just a disgusting take just someone very privileged is able to have.
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If only they made it a bit more “Vorsprung durch Technik”, they could have made their genocides truly unique.
Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?
No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism.
Does all that make it a quantifier, was this genocide more “genocidy” then others?
No, just that the way it was carried out was unique, no more no less, but to deny that is just revisionism.
I have pointed at exactly this sort of quantifier as being wrong already in my original comment.
Edit: Really, the above comment gets up votes for alleging something I explicitly spoke out against in my first comment? Guess it’s correct what people say about .ml
So the unique thing about the Holocaust was the involvement of IBM and Bayer/IG Farben?
Ok yeah I can buy that.
Sure whatever you want to believe, I gave up on this thread having any sort of constructive argument or insight. Didn’t even have to be valuable insight, but there’s nothing here to be found.
So the Holocaust didn’t do the same thing to Romas, queer folk, Black folk, etc? Only the Jewish folk?
I disagree with the premise, the Holocaust was unique. It was unique in its effectiveness, it was a meticulously planned machinery of death the world has never seen before or after.
There were once 100 million Natives living on the two American continents.
They’re really reaching for some material, aren’t they?
Well they tried trashing him for providing tampons to women in need.
Then for being a retired military vet.
Then for making a joke about ladders.
So yeah, they’re really running out of stuff it would seem.
This is HORRIBLE! Look at that ANTISEMITE!
-People who Support Nazis and think anyone who is against Genocide is Antisemitic!
It’s honestly kinda sad because during the same time period the Japanese were arguably being worse to the Chinese. Even at the same time period the holocaust wasn’t unique.
Genocide isn’t unique…walz is right
The only reason everybody chose to ignore Stalin doing the exact same thing in a different way is because he decided to flip on Hitler earlier than expected.
🤡
Nope! Humanity has a hell of a history of it.
The important thing to me here is that he has a master’s degree and it took on tough subject matter with a larger perspective of how humanity needs to learn to no repeat this horrible actions of its past. He just keeps getting more awesome.
Harris/Walz 2024!
I commented this elsewhere too, but dude took this expertise with a tough subject and shared it well with the high schoolers he taught: Tim Walz’s Class Project on the Holocaust Draws New Attention Online https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/us/politics/tim-walz-holocaust-class-rwanda-genocide.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ck4.FpW4.05czkX9J5r9u
That is going to annoy the Turks too.
Russians killed a lot of ethnic groups some of them completely.
So did we
Yeah, this one doesn’t hold water either… I’m sure he kicked a dog or something at some point. I’m gonna hold out for that one.
Another case of the idiot right wing shunning facts or spinning them into non-facts. They can’t deal in facts so they must pollute factual information down to their level where they’re comfortable with the lie they’ve created.
He is right it wasn’t. Hitler was emulating past settler colonial projects. He was inspired by how the indigenous peoples of North America were reduced to only tens of thousands and forced to live in reservations. It is just that no one cared until it happened in Europe.
It’s not even unique to WW2. The Japanese killed somewhere between 3 and 10 million Chinese civilians, burning some of them alive. If that range sounds insane, it’s because it is. Some estimates put the number of civiians killed by the Japanese as high as 20 million. Wikipedia.
Anybody got a master’s degree in boys that cry wolf? Hell at this point you’ll be called antisemitic for saying you prefer Robertson screwdrivers to Torx.
And back in the real world, he went on to use that critical thinking in classroom assignments, helping students understand actions and attitudes that lead to genocide: Tim Walz’s Class Project on the Holocaust Draws New Attention Online https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/09/us/politics/tim-walz-holocaust-class-rwanda-genocide.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Ck4.FpW4.05czkX9J5r9u
Tldr, in one of his geography classes, Walz taught his class about how violence rises, class voted on what country they thought likely to deal with that kind of violence, like a year later the Rwanda genocide began.
