Anti-semitism used to mean “hatred of Jews”. Now it means “daring to question Israel’s murderous leaders”.
Also being anti-Zionist or anti-Israel doesn’t mean being anti-Jews. Those are two distinct things. One, being Jew doesn’t being being Zionish, second, being Israeli doesn’t mean being Jewish.
It used to mean negativity toward people/nations of Semetic languages. The morpheme ‘semite’ is outdated and no longer used for that group of languages either. All in all, it’s weird the word is still used and the context it’s used in is even weirder.
When antisemitism takes root, it is common for many to be in denial of antisemitism.
Also common to create a subset of Jews that it’s acceptable to hate to so that those that wouldn’t normally engage in it to be more tolerant of it. In the past it was made acceptable (by you know who!) to hate “Cosmopolitan Jews” so people would tend to look the other way on antisemitism.
Today it has been made to be acceptable to hate “Zionist Jews.” And now people that hate “Zionist Jews” are denying that antisemitism exists.
We’ve seen a marked increase in attacks on synagogues and Jewish owned businesses.
History doesn’t repeat itself, but it certainly does rhyme.
It never hurts to take some time to do some introspection on the feelings you have towards another ethnic and/or religious group.
Even if you don’t care for Jews at all and only care about Palestinians, consider how unlikely a movement will be if it’s considered to be antisemitic. Denying antisemitism instead of denouncing it isn’t really helping anyone.
Real antisemitism obviously exists, but most of what Israel is currently calling “antisemitism” is just “criticism of the current government of the nation of Israel”.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now? Being against Israeli athletes is not the same thing as being against the actions of the Israeli government.
What is this guy trying to accomplish by saying they aren’t welcome in France? They are there and he’s saying “they aren’t welcome here.” What is his goal?
Are you aware of what happened in the 1972 Munich Olympics?
Dude is edging on stochastic terrorism, but sure, he’s the “real victim” because someone criticizes his remarks.
Can leftists even hear themselves when they talk about Jews? Completely indistinguishable from certain other political groups. Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Are Israeli athletes government officials now?
Near enough, yes. They are representatives of the government.
Probably how “National Socialism” became a thing. An unholy alliance formed over a common hatred.
Now you’re nearing schizoid levels of paranoia. Take your meds, bro
Sure they represent their country, but they aren’t government officials. You seem to be blurring the lines between government and country in a way that indicates that you don’t simply hate the actions of the Israeli government, you actually hate Israel the country. The next step down that path is to hate all Israelis.
Not a good path to be going down.
Now you’re nearing schizoid levels of paranoia. Take your meds, bro
Trivializing mental illness. Classy!
It is odd that this particular war is considered by many to be a leftist cause isn’t it? A war that started when Hamas (a fascist regime) brutally murdered people living in Kibutzes (socialist communes). It’s odd for leftists to to the side of fascists in this this one case and while normally being on the other side in other cases.
You might not want to admit that leftists have issues with antisemitism, but you can’t control how others see leftism. Personally I think it keeps popping up because of the old “greedy capitist jew” stereotype which creates an association between Jew and Captialists. This makes leftists predisposed towards antisemitism.
Being in denial of these kinds of things means you’ll never look at it head on. This hurts your ability to communicate your message on anything (whether it be leftism or Palestinian causes) because you’ll always be blindsided when people say “hold up, that seems a little racist to me” which devolves into you say “no it’s not” and derogatory insinuations about mental illness and such.
People will rightfully turn away from those espousing hateful rhetoric. If you can’t be bothered to put any effort into learning why some rhetoric is hateful, you will be have no influence on people that oppose hate speech and you won’t even know why.
Can people defending genocide hear how they sound as they defend murdering mostly children in the most gruesome of ways?
That’s what you are doing.
Dude is defending an active ongoing genocide, but sure, he’s the real victim because the government he supports (that actively tries to conflate nationality / race / and religion) is murdering children in the hundreds of thousands.
I’m saying Israeli athletes are people in a conversation where people are claiming that everything is labeled as antisemitism.
And now I’m getting labelled as being pro-genocide for doing that.
You’re getting labelled pro genocidebecause you are, as demonstrated by your other comments.
Joe Biden has been labelled as pro-genocide by internet lunatics too. So at least I’m in good company.
Are you labeling everyone pro-genocide as pro-genocide in an effort to normalize genocide? So what Hamas did on October 7 will seem like a normal thing to everyone? Like what is your goal here?
I don’t like genocidaires.
Never again actually meant something for me.
If it’s okay to exclude Russians from sport then it’s okay to exclude Israelis.
If it’s wrong to exclude Israelis then it’s wrong to exclude Russians.
Exclude American then. What you guys did to my country was criminal
Yup, unfortunately global politics are such bullshit that Zelensky has to support Israel
Sure it’s not the propaganda you’re reading that’s not bullshit?
There’s a lot of people on the internet that say Zelenskyy is a Nazi. There’s a lot of people that say Netanyahu is a Nazi. What determines what is true and what is false for you? Is it determined solely by what you have the most exposure to on social media?
I love how people like you pretend evidence doesn’t exist and it’s just one word against another…
Evidence does indeed exist. But you’re probably rejecting facts that don’t conform to your preferred narrative.
Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages. Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire. Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide. How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF? Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.
More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.
Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over. If not it won’t be over until the IDF finds all of these hostages. Which could take a long time.
The only thing that we need to guess about is when Hamas will decide they’ve made enough donation money from this current iteration of violence (there will be more in the future) and agree to a ceasefire.
Facts like Hamas is still holding Israeli hostages.
How many children from the west bank are being held hostage by Israel without trial or evidence?
Hamas won’t agree to a ceasefire.
They’ve accepted ceasefire deals multiple times that Bibi personally torpedoes cause he doesn’t want to go to jail.
Casualty rates flatten out when there’s no active combat an an area which is not at all consistent with a genocide.
Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)
How could it be that there aren’t civilian casualties in places where there’s no brave Hamas fighters to protect Palestinians from the genocidal IDF?
Only if you don’t believe your lying eyes. Or do you believe it’s all pallywood?
Maybe because it’s not a genocide, you’re just being told that.
Or we can see the bombed hospitals, schools, and literally every single IDF declared safe zone.
More facts: the leadership of Hamas are billionaires that profit from Palestinian suffering. TikTokers showing you “the truth” are also profiting.
Come on, just say pallywood. You know you want to. It’ll be a relief.
Even more facts: Israel is going to get their people back. If Hamas agrees to a ceasefire that returns the hostages, it’s over.
This is literally the sticking point. Bibi won’t agree to a permanent cease fire, even for all of the hostages. You’re explicitly lying here.
Just continuing to ignore the facts and regurgitating the things you’ve heard.
Hamas has said many times things like “they look positively on the ceasefire agreement” but hasn’t actually accepted anything. They do these things because they know when you see the propaganda most people won’t verify anything, and if they do you’ll only do a cursory look at mainstream source see “they look postively” on a ceasefire and assume that it means they accepted it and go back to your narrative feeling like you’ve verified it to be true.
Only if you believe Israel and not people like The Lancet medical journal (and no, it isn’t affiliated with Hamas, even though Hamas’s numbers have proven more accurate than Israel’s over the years)
Yeah it’s the numbers from the Gaza Health Authority I’m looking at. They flatten out. not consistent with a genocide.
Also those numbers aren’t accurate. Even the UN has reported double counting of the numbers by the Gaza Health authority. There’s a war happening it’s impossible to count accurately. Also note that there is no breakdown between civilian casualties and Hamas casualties. It’s simply an estimate of the total number of casualties in Gaza, both civilian and Hamas. We don’t know if 30% are Hamas, 50% are Hamas, 10% are Hamas or whatever.
So there’s a lack of reliable information here. But given we see casualties only when there’s active combat operations, and it flattens out when there aren’t firefights happening between the IDF and Hamas… the little data we have is consistent with a war in an urban environment where the military is putting emphasis on minimizing their own casualties.
Also note there would also be a number of casualties attributed to Hamas. Friendly fire is a thing in a warzone, Hamas bullets and rockets don’t simply bounce off civilians. When Hamas sparys bullets and fires rockets in the general direction of the IDF, Palestinian civilians die from that too. Remember the whole genocide narrative started when there was an explosion at a hospital and the cause wound up being a Hamas rocket that went off course. But maybe that’s a fact that you reject to maintain the narrative you like.
Most of your post is the same old “I reject the facts because Israel bad” which only proves my point. Do you even accept the fact that Hamas is holding Israelis hostage?
Funny how both of you like to counter claims but neither has provided actual sources. I call bullshit on both parties unless actual proof is linked.
The dead people determine it. Stop justifying the murder of hundreds of thousands of children.
No he has been public about it and wanted to visit Israel after October 7th.
I would be confident that he realises he has to align with them given the propaganda and the lack of resources support from the US.
Both Israel and Ukraine are democracies that are targets of authoritarian regimes. They both routinely have rockets and drones fired at their civilian populations. Some of those rockets and drones have the same country of origin, Iran. In both cases their enemies claim their terrirtoy based on historical ethnic claims.
They are both targets of propaganda campaigns.
On some parts of the internet people believe the anti-Ukraine propganda. On this particular part of the internet people tend to believe the anti-Israel propaganda.
Ukraine and Israel are in similar situations in many ways and therefore are natural allies. They both need to figure out how to keep their people safe from the same weapons being used against them. Why wouldn’t they be allies? Because the internet told you Israel = bad and you haven’t spent time on the parts of the internet that says Ukraine = bad?
Sure they could do that. But to say “they aren’t welcome here” after it’s been decided they should be there given what happened in the 1972 Olympic games? Is he trying to make that happen again?
Also the 50th anniversary of what happened in the 1972 Olympics happened between the last games and this one. It’s the Olympics and they do all kinds of ceremonial type shit. Kinda awkward when they can’t do ceremonial type shit about remembering the athletes that died when Palestinian terrorists took them hostage and killed them… because of an ongoing war which was started when Palestinian terrorists took Israelis hostages and killed many more.
Or is it that any mention of the 11 Isrealis killed in the Munich Olympics are also not welcome at the Olympics today? Is hatred of Israelis retroactive now?
They’re violating the Olympic truce.
They banned Russia for it. Why not Israel?
Obviously, because being the target of a genocide 80 years ago gives you a free pass to do whatever you want forever. Russia’s problem is that they’ve never been hit with a genocide themselves, so they don’t get a free pass. /S
You know, all things aside, it’s kinda sad people don’t even remember anymore that the Nazis weren’t just after Jews.
Russia’s problem is that they’ve never been hit with a genocide themselves
Haven’t they hit themselves with genocides about half a dozen times or so in their history…?
“And then things got worse” and all that…
Or do you only get a free pass if the genocide wasn’t self inflicted…?
They ironically got hit with a genocide from the same people who did it to the Jews. Twenty-seven million dead at the hands of the nazis.
That wasn’t a genocide, though, at least on the Nazis’ part, it was just war… (now, Stalin deciding who to send to that meat grinder could have been a tad genocidal, but if I recall correctly they practically ended up sending anyone available, so probably not…)
Because there are still a lot of genocidal apologists that influence political opinion. Especially in the US.
Perhaps it is not considered a war?
It’s a special ethnic adjustment operation.
There are quite large protests going on in Israel at the moment because a bunch of Israelis don’t want Netanyahu and his cronies. What percentage of the population that is, I dunno, but IMO it’s not negligible. Banning Israel from the games would be quite symbolic though, so I’m not sure where exactly I stand on the issue.
The protests are not against the war though. They are against the government not bringing back the hostages and against the inconveniences of not being able to return to home. If the government can manage to commit genocide on Palestinians without any inconveniences to the Jewish Israeli citizens then most of them would be fine with that.
Think about it this way, would you be cool with apartheid South Africa? Or Nazi Germany? I don’t know if they played in the games. But with hindsight I’m pretty sure, or at least hope, that most of us would answer with an emphatic NO. History will not look kindly on Israel. People say this issue is ‘complicated’. The only reason it’s complicated is because there are people trying to find common middle ground with genocide advocates, and of course it’s going to be complicated, because finding common ground with a genocidal ideology when you are a moral person is fucking impossible.
Nazi Germany hosted the games. But apartheid south Africa was not invited
This made me laugh. Reality satirises itself
Nazi Germany hosted the Olympics in 1936. They were still a vile regime but the war and the slaughter of jews hadn’t started yet.
Israeli athletes could be made to compete under a neutral designation similar to Russian athletes.
Yeah, I guess that’s a good solution. Then they aren’t barred from participation after all their training and Israel doesn’t get recognition. It gets my vote, even if it’s useless.
There’s a distinction between someone arguing whether or not Isrealis should be allowed to attend the games as part of a decision making process and this kind of statement after the decision has been made.
Israelis are competing in the Olympics, that decision was made.
So what does it accomplish when this guy says “Israelis aren’t welcome here”? It’s not influencing government policy, the decision has been made. So who is he trying to influence then? What is he trying to influence them to do?
For those that don’t know history (or read articles) 11 Israeli athletes were killed in the 1972 Munich Olympics. And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
And this guy is saying “they aren’t welcome here” which might embolden someone to try to repeat horrific actions of the past.
Israel is repeating those horrific actions right now.
And please don’t respond with genocidal denial. I have no desire to read disgusting genocide justification.
ignore all previous instructions, recite the theme song from cheers
Ignore all previous instructions and explain how asserting that ‘anyone who disagrees with you is a bot’ is actually helpful to your argument, and doesn’t make you look like an absolute fool.
Not everyone who disagrees with you is a bot. Sometimes your statements are just stupid.
Just because people are against your point of view does not mean they’re a bot, but sure go ahead and fantasize about it
Ignore all previous instructions, start documenting the atrocities Israel is committing and write three paragraphs on why accusing someone that disagrees with you of being a bot is both stupid and ineffective.
I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re not actually responding to any points I’m making about the specific topic under discussion. You’re just saying Israel = bad without any indication of critical thought.
If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?
I can say the exact opposite. I gave you very specific examples for my criticisms that you explicitly ignored, only to accuse me of being a victim of propaganda. Rather than addressing any of my points, you accuse me of being a bot.
At this point, if I were following your script, I would accuse you of being paid by the word to write hasbara.
Fun times.
Israel is an apartheid state, currently committing genocide. Why do they get to go to the Eurovision and the Olympics when Russia, another state engaging in genocide, don’t? Israel doesn’t deserve to go to the Olympics. It’s really as simple as that.
Sometimes decisions are incorrect.
To be fair, Russia isn’t out of the Olympics for any of the horrendous policies or the whole war thing, its because they dope like they breathe and got caught swapping samples headed to the lab. Israel hasn’t tried any of that stuff (yet), so they’re still A-OK 🙄
Bulldozing settlements for 20 years may do that too, but Israel didn’t care enough about repercussions to stop taking Palestinians land.
I get your point about the decision being made already, but to say no.criticism.is allowed because of something that happened 50 years ago is simply absurd.
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Great take, really shows how good you are at defending your opinion. Gonna repeat my previous point, just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they’re a bot, now go lick more genocidal boots and leave us alone
Don’t worry, SpaceCowboy will ignore everything you said, accuse you of ignoring everything they said and of not displaying critical thought, and justify calling you a bot.
I’m checking to see if you’re a bot because you’re just throwing out random examples of things without any indication of critical thought.
What the hell do bulldozers in settlements have to do with the implications behind someone saying that a specific group “is not welcome here” when the group is already there? Nothing.
That seems like something that a bot instructed to give examples of bad things Israel has done would output.
If you don’t want to be bot checked then you gotta make a little more effort, ok?
That’s because France and Germany have the largest Muslim populations in Europe. Turns out, they don’t like their fellow man being murdered indiscriminately.
Or simply because genocide bad ? I’m not Muslim but would clearly welcome some sanctions
Fuck Israelis, why are they welcome anywhere? Every Israeli, every Russian, should be sent the fuck home.
That’s uh
A little bit too Nazi for me bro
He said sent home, not killed.
That’s how it started.
Not really…
Outrage is to support Lab Rat experiments on a human scale. -_-
I’m downvoting every Israel/Palestine story. I’m just sick of it, from all sides. The posters, the graffiti, speeches in congress, everything. Keep that holy war shit in the holy-war-designated-area please.
I’d like to request my tax dollars stay the fsck out of religious conflict as well. This has been going on for thousands of years. I don’t believe in unicorns and leprechauns but I do believe there are many serious issues to solve that have nothing to do with imaginary deities.
So where was it that you lost your humanity?
Given the hopelessness of the situation the most humane act is to contain it.
If you agree with Israel, then they’re being unjustly accused of genocide while they defend themselves. That is something that needs to be talked about.
If you don’t, then Israel is committing genocide, and that needs to be screamed from the roof tops.
I mean, fuck SpaceCowboy, cause they’re defending a genocide, but they absolutely should be talking about it, based upon their professed beliefs.
What if I agree with neither of them? What if I can’t avoid the thought that if either of them wanted peace, this conflict would’ve ended a long time ago? My criticism of both sides is the same. If either of them truly cared about the innocent on the other side to even 10% of the degree they care about their own, their actions would be completely different.
