- Elon Musk accused of illegally selling $7.5 billion in Tesla stock in Q4 2022.
- Lawsuit alleges Musk and board violated fiduciary duties by selling shares ahead of disappointing vehicle sales data.
- Shareholder seeks disgorgement of $3 billion in illegal gains and damages from directors for reckless behavior.
Isn’t that the definition of insider trading? Lock him up like Martha, she did way less and served time in a prison resort.
I need to look up how “insider trading” even works.
When you are the CEO, and you make decisions, and you own your own stock - wouldn’t everything you ever do be with insider info? It is just honor system pinky-promise to act in good faith? I mean that sounds super effective.
Normally you publicly say looong in advance, like at least half a year in advance, that you plan to sell this amount of shares at this point in time. No more, no less, not earlier, not later, no backsies.
Well no, there is backsies. You can rescind your intent to sell within a couple days. What most CEOs do is set up regular sells every month way in advance, then choose not to sell unless its opportune at the last minute. If that sounds like it completely defeats the purpose of the rule in the first place, yep! The system is rigged.
Wouldn’t say completely. The notice of intent to sell is not there to prevent CEOs from selling when they want to, it’s to notify you that they could sell this much if they wanted to.
The purpose is just to say that you need to be prepared for a potential sale. If the CEO keeps backing out of a sale, that does hurt your ability to predict when they will but not how much they could sell and therefore how much those sales could potentially affect your investment.
All of that is strategic because otherwise investors could conceivably do the opposite and sell before the CEO is forced to sell and then buy his shares at a lower price. That would mean the stock would tank every time the CEO went to sell. The problem exists because most of the solutions are even worse
At my workplace we are only allowed to sell stocks within certain windows, usually it’s a brief period immediately after we publicly release earnings. I think for higher ups it’s even more restrictive.
We had a 2 week window 2 or 3 days after earnings were released.
Edit: You could preschedule sales though like recurring once a month, but it wouldn’t take effect immediately. I can’t remember what the delay on that was, but it might have been starting after the next earnings?
I’ve known people at IC level sell outside of windows and barely get a mention. Some people have odd vesting schedules for things like RSU’s, so sometimes it’s unavoidable.
At higher levels, it’s locked down considerably. My old director said that he had to have a meeting to go through a sale of his stock, so that it could be approved to be out of a window of potential releases in the company outside of his own division. I imagine that at VP+ level you need accountants just to handle what is a few clicks for an average corp worker.
Felon Musk
That’s only the 5th time he commits fraud. He has been at court several times because of his actions. It seems no one really wants to arrest him
He should run for president. He can claim the long form version of his birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii.
“Felonious Musk” might be a good nickname.
I love how resort is tacked on there at the very end. Like you read it in a quiter voice.
Well, she did spend time in Club Fed
Yes but you see, he is a billionaire… Insider trading and other laws are for the pauper rich
Can we revoke his government contracts now?
Can we deport him now?
Dude, you can’t talk about deporting people back to Africa. Not cool.
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No, that’s counterproductive because the government uses those services. Instead, the government could confiscate his stock in those companies.
SpaceX would probably be more profitable if they didn’t have to spend so much time and resources on preventing Musk from interfering with things.
It’s mostly Tesla and Twitter that he’s wrecking, but yeah Shotwell does sometimes rescue SpaceX from terrible ideas he has, like canceling Falcon Heavy.
Martha Stewart this motherfucker.
So… i vaguelly knew about her so did some searching
she served five months in federal prison for fraud and was released in March 2005. There was speculation that the incident would effectively end her media empire,[2] but in 2005 Stewart began a comeback campaign[3] and her company returned to profitability in 2006.[4] Stewart rejoined the board of directors of Martha Stewart Living Omnimedia in 2011[5] and became chairwoman of her namesake company again in 2012
Its pretty mild isn’t it?
except they wont even do that to musk. Nobody wants to try a billionaire in court, musk is known to send armies of private detectives on people. He’ll close a factory in your district out of spite. Billionaires are afraid of taxes because as long as they have way too much money they can continue to do the illegal shit that made them rich.
And she got street cred, and hangs out with snoop dog now lol.
Oh wow! Was that her with the lighter commercial for Bic?
Didn’t notice before now!
This is bullshit. My EV ETF is not doing well and I’m losing my investment while this jagoff gets to sell his stocks ahead of the announcements and runs away with the money? Fuck that shit.
Shareholders should fucking sue if the government ain’t gonna arrest him for insider trading.
I wish I knew money enough to actually understand your comment, but here we are, both hating Elon and wanting him dealt with. Its beautiful really.
An ETF is an investment fund made up of stocks from different companies. A fund based on electric vehicle market could include Tesla, Chevrolet, Toyota, Ford, Kia and various other companies building EV parts like BASF or Northvolt for batteries or chargers.
The fund could be composed of, say, 30% Tesla, 10% Chevrolet, 10% Kia, 5% Ford, etc.
You can invest in the fund by purchasing parts, which then give you a return based on how many parts you bought and the performance of the stocks in the fund.
Does that make sense?
It does. Thanks. Maybe one day i’ll ve able to put it to use… 😅
I believe that normally companies have restricted time windows for trading for people who may have access to information about the company.
kagis
https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2021/06/02/determinants-of-insider-trading-windows/
At most publicly traded firms, an insider trading policy (ITP) establishes a pre-specified open trading window each quarter when insiders are allowed to trade, which dictates a corresponding “blackout” period in which they are prohibited from doing so. The typical trading window begins 2-3 trading days after the previous quarter’s earnings release and ends approximately 2-3 weeks prior to the end of the next fiscal quarter, resulting in an allowed trading window of about six weeks. These restrictions on insider trading activity potentially provide both protection from legal or regulatory action as well as liquidity and cost of capital benefits (e.g., Fishman and Hagerty, 1992). Although there is substantial variation in the length and timing of these trading windows, little is known about the factors boards consider when determining these constraints. Furthermore, in addition to these pre-specified trading windows and corresponding blackout periods, firms may impose event-specific trading restrictions on insiders (e.g., due to ongoing merger or acquisition negotiations). These “ad hoc blackout windows,” which are undisclosed to the public, are largely unexplored in prior literature.
Normally, yes. Working in a couple of big corporations, we would be told when we can’t trade because of internal announcements. We could potentially be accused of insider trading. Unless this read a timed trade that was already scheduled ahead of time.
If you’re using the ETF as a long term investment and you believe EVs are key to our future then you shouldn’t worry about this too much (unless the ETF is made up of mostly TSLA in which case I’d not be too happy).
You’ve not lost money until you take it out of your investment.
That title is a very long way of saying that he’s been accused of inside trade
Forgot the final bullet points
- US Government does jack shit in terms of legal ramifications for breaking law.
- Musk pledges to break US law once again.
When are Tesla shareholders going to wake up and understand that he’s scamming them. You’re all dupes and he’s going to ride you to the last second and let you all burn.
Punish him daddy
Wouldn’t that volume for sale appearing on the market decrease the price in and of itself?
Couldn’t you have posted a non-paywalled article so we don’t have to discuss a headline?
CEOs have to announce they will sell in advance. But, I can’t see if he did this because of what you posted.
Is going to archive.is and copy/pasting the url too hard?
I don’t know, maybe ask the OP?
How could a CEO of any company trade his own stock from the company and not be insider trading?
The fact they are allowed to control stock is laughable… At best, stock from the company you control should be in a blind trust (which would still be laughable but we can at least pretend)
… WHAT’S New in Capitalism…
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Oh NOOOOO! So you might point at this genius brain to tell us, he’s just another fraudster? NOOOOoooooo! Who whould have thought? /s
What a joyous year if we could get Trump and Elon in jail this year… They could be roomies!
