There should be a religious test for politicians.
If you’re too religious, you should not be a politician
There’s a Canadian politician I refuse to vote for because he’s seihk, wears the turban and religious regalia. Of course you get called racist, but I wouldn’t vote for a Jewish person in Orthodox garb, or a Christian carrying a Bible everywhere. It tells me that you put your religion above everything, even your constituents.
Of course there’s an India/seihk scandal going on right now. Having a super religious seihk in power would have made that one a way bigger shit show.
Perhaps start by learning how to spell Sikh before passing judgment on them.
I don’t understand what people think of when they read…
If you’re too religious, you should not be a politician
but it’s literally part of what you’re saying. Why the downvotes, because they’re naming specifics of what signals to them being too religious? Make it make sense, Lemmy.
It’s because adherence to religious dress codes is not a clear indicator of fundamentalism or evangelism. Women who choose to wear burkas, niqabs headscarves etc are not immediately downtrodden and subservient women who agree with religious sexism. A Sikh man choosing to wear a turban and not shave his body hair is not a clear indicator that he’s a fundamentalist in any way.
Judge politicians by their words and actions, not by how they look. There are many religious zealots who wear simple suits and dresses.
You took the ACTION of putting on garb that says your religion is above everything else. I will judge you for that on the political field
You took the ACTION of putting on garb that says your religion is above everything else
Incorrect assumption. A dominant religion in any given society will influence cultural and societal norms. Sometimes, perhaps even more often than not, the reason for wearing religious clothing is social conformity. That doesn’t necessarily mean that the wearer is a fundamentalist or even religious at all. There are even atheists who wear religious clothing just because the community they belong to excepts them to do so and they don’t want to stand out (applies to all genders). And that’s just one of several possible reasons other than the one you assumed to be the only possible explanation.
At the end of the day my argument is that I want politicians of any stripe or religion to leave their religion at the door. Anyone who puts their god’s will into their decision making process (which all religious people do) has no business in politics
That is the opposite of what this country was built on; freedom of religion.
Being religious should not disqualify anyone, but if you push past separation of church and state then and only then should you be disqualified
I’m pretty sure that was the point of the original comment.
Being too religious should absolutely disqualify you, just like believing the world is flat or any number of other complete nonsense should disqualify you.
The Puritans came here to seperate THEIR church from the state, after that it became them imposing their religion on natives.
The actual country’s founding in 1776 was. Far from religious, and many of the founding fathers were not religious or outright anti religion
Bring religious should be a disqualification. You have a higher master you serve. You can’t be trusted to put the country and the citizens first.
I imagine they weren’t being serious
Religious beliefs are not disqualifying, but if that’s your whole way of being, you should not hold public office. Render unto Caesar.
Now we got to listen to this bullshit. Would love to see him take a test on the bible.
We’ll start by asking him to list all twenty commandments, since conservatives usually claim that they love them so much.
Twenty? I’m not a Christian so was unaware of the extra ten.
The free version has 10, but if you pay for Bible Pro you get 20
supply-side jesus entertains us with a million more interpretations.
Most “Christians” are also unaware of the extra ones, despite them being listed in black and white in the bible.
In Exodus 20, Moses is given the tablets containing the ten commandments, which are listed off in the text of the bible in that chapter and are the ten that “everyone knows.”
Then, in Exodus 32:19, Moses gets so pissed off at witnessing his people worshiping the golden calf that he breaks the tablets that have the commandments carved on them. In Exodus 33 he goes back up the mountain to ask god what to do about it. In Exodus 34, god goes as far as to say unto Moses, “Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.” Throughout the chapter he does so, listing off a screed that contains a couple of the original commandments (no other gods before me, and remember the sabbath) but the rest of his directions are quite different from the first list.
Further, there is a recitation of the first ten commandments in Deuteronomy 5, where a different explanation for the sabbath day is given. In Exodus god claims the sabbath is holy because he created the world in six days and the seventh day is a day of rest, but in Deuteronomy he says the sabbath actually holy because the people of Israel were slaves in Egypt and god gave them rest in the form of their freedom. Moses further goes on to say after this recitation that these were the words god spoke and he “added no more,” which as we saw in Exodus 34 is bogus.
I guess actually it’s 18 in total, then. We can treat it as a trick question for Mike Johnson.
There’s an interesting detail to the whole “Moses breaking the original tablets in response to the golden calf worship.”
This parallels the alleged reforms of Josiah.
Josiah “finds a new book of laws” and then suddenly carries out major religious reforms. He performed human sacrifice slaughtering the priests of the high places on their altars to defile them. He hides away the Ark, the anointing oil, the manna jar. He gets rid of the Asherah worship.
And he gets rid of the golden calves in Bethel and Dan while getting rid of the old laws and bringing new ones.
Oh, and he institutes the Passover narrative.
So suddenly in the events around Moses, the central part of that Passover narrative, is a scene that has old laws being destroyed in response to golden calf worship and new laws taking their place.
Very sus.
Even more sus is that Josiah’s reforms appear to be anachronistic given the correspondence over a century later between Elephantine and Jerusalem.
We should really be taking Hecataeus of Adbera’s claim that the scriptures of the Jews had recently been significantly altered around the Exodus narrative under the Persian and Macedonian conquests more seriously.
Edit: Also if the Shapira scroll is legit, there was originally an 11th commandment.
SMH. I can’t stand when fantasy authors have such shoddy and inconsistent worldbuilding. Doesn’t anyone proofread and run the manuscript by beta readers anymore?
Fun fact, the King James version (which wingnuts love to swear adherence to, maybe because of all the flowery language) was supposed to be the edit that fixed many of these worldbuilding gaffes. Obviously, it categorically failed to do so – it even still includes both mildly contradictory accounts of the creation of the world in Genesis, which another poster here already mentioned.
It also includes contradictions on pretty much every part of the gospels in relation to each other but, to be fair, that’s the case in all of them.
Does beg the question of why they didn’t align them when they had the chance. Some times the word of God is more malleable than others I guess.
They did try to align them. Mark original ends at the Tomb, eventually scribes started adding details post-tomb to Mark. Which is why the Mark Gospel we have now reads like it has three separate endings.
The original King James version included the apocrypha, which are found in the Catholic versions, but booksellers realized they could sell more copies if they left out the apocrypha. That’s why most copies today don’t have the apocrypha.
No one reads the KJV except people seeking a doctrine in biblical studies. Everyone reads the revised KJV. The original version was plagiarized off an earlier English Bible instead of going directly to the source material. So even when it was first published it sounded like an old time way of speaking. Also it contained non-canon books that publishers would later take out to save on costs.
Well to be fair none of these people knew they were writing the Bible. You are some ancient scribe. The local king/warlord wants you to take some old story or scroll and revamp it to argue how great he is. Can’t really refuse a guy with a throne of human bones especially since a. He is paying you b. This is your chance to write a fanfic, maybe it won’t suck this time.
Over and over the translations and copies were altered. As each group tried to prove that they had it right and everyone before them had it wrong.
Which is part of the reason why it is thought that the final editors, prior to the 3rd century, were fusing two different narratives together. Same thing happens in Genesis and to a lesser extent in Mark.
Um, excuse me!? There were 15!
Uh, 10! Only 10!
Start with “Which came first, people or animals?”
Genesis 1:
20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Genesis 2:
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Indeed. Two stories from two regions mashed up into the Septuagint along with a number of other writings, much of it proven to be anachronistic, meant to unify a kingdom politically against its rivals under one religion and one god where before there were many of each. It’s also why you see god being named in different ways in different books.
meant to unify a kingdom politically against its rivals
Someone has been reading their Finkelstein, haha. I am not saying he isn’t right I remain on the fence about it as of this time.
This guy’s a fuckin freak.
I wish these chucklefucks would realize not all of us believe in god let alone the same one they pray to.
They do realize this. They see it as a problem that needs fixing.
I fully support this. Anyone who claims to be religious - of any kind - will not get my vote.
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Man, these guys just hate this country so very much. It’s so obvious because they keep ignoring and/or gaslighting about one of the most important things about this country, and that is that it is a SECULAR country.
Ironic considering that Jews and atheists tend to be more knowledgeable than Christians about religion: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2019/07/23/what-americans-know-about-religion/
This is turning into a South Park episode.
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I would love to see how closely they follow “love thy neighbor”
I’m sure he’s really concerned about usery.
thats why they try so hard to change who is allowed to move in next door
I feel like a major lesson from the Trump era is that no one has to take American evangelicals seriously when they talk about how their faith informs their politics. They can and will justify anything so it’s just a waste of everyone’s time to pretend they’re sincere in their beliefs.
This is it exactly. Start with what someone is trying to justify doing first and foremost. It doesn’t matter what they believe. A nihilist fascist should be exterminated all the same
Praze ba jeebuz
As soon as he provides proof that he’s not made out of wood.
My boy crawled right out of Madame Tussauds for the speaker position
It seems like he was urging people to vote based on candidates’ religious beliefs. This is not a “religious test” in the Constitutional sense.
What do you think the Constitution means when it says “no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”
That you don’t have to profess any particular religious beliefs in order to qualify as a candidate for office.
This is precisely what Johnson is advocating. If you’re not a Christian, if you’re not his kind of Christian, he thinks you shouldn’t be eligible for office. He’s explicitly telling people not to vote for people who don’t share their religious identity.
That’s a religious test.
He’s telling voters what he’d like them to do. He’s allowed to do that, and voters are allowed to take religious beliefs into account when casting their ballots.
How would you even enforce a rule that prohibited voters from doing that? Particularly on a secret ballot?
When preaching from the pulpit, people assume the authority of their god. He’s not suggesting, he’s telling them how they have to behave in order to be good Christians.
Don’t make excuses for villains like this.
I’m not making excuses, I don’t even support this guy. And if I were in his district, I would take his religious beliefs into account and vote against him. As would be my right.
I’m simply pointing out what is and is not covered by the US Constitution. The Constitution pertains to the government, not the people. It limits what the government can do, to include making religious tests a qualification for office, but does not say a damned thing about what the voters are allowed to consider.
I think you misunderstand what the constitution does and doesn’t do. It defines the structure, powers and limits of the Government.
The clause means that the Government cannot instate a religious test on candidates for office. It does not dictate how individuals are allowed to decide which of those candidates they vote for.
It should be in there. Article 2 section 9 paragraph 4 “don’t vote for a dumbass”
How about a religious test on this extra set of ten commandments and start by seeinh how the idiots in the House would even pass it.
- Thou shall send aid to Israel and Ukraine
- Thou shall vote not to shut down the government
- Thou shall vote for a Democratic House Speaker
- Thou shall ban assault weapons from the market
- Thou shall vote to expand, not cut, Social Security or Medicare
- Thou shall vote to tax the very rich since greed is a sin
- Thou shall vote to tear down border walls that don’t work
- Thou shall vote to invest in clean renewable energy
- Thou shall vote to stop drilling and clear cutting on natural reserves
- Thou shall vote to expand the Endangered Species List and fund the EPA.
