Those robots are expensive! They’re not gonna risk something worth so much on anything dangerous - let the worthless humans do that shit!
Kill the meat, save the metal
I mean, have you SEEN the price of copper lately??!
Taste the meat, not the heat!
I forget which roman senator it was, but in his writings he does say that it is better to pay free-men to work on, eg, malaria invested areas than slaves.
Why? you don’t risk your Capital (slaves). Same thing here
in trek they used androids and holograms to do the dangerous works in mines, until tech advances that far, i dont think its feasible with our tech.
They… are?
I was going to say the same. Robots are doing all that right now. But also that robots are not AI but robots can use AI. Don’t need AI to do 90% of shit we need em to do.
Yeah, as an automation engineer, I freaking hate this narrative. “I want the AI to do the dishes not write music”
You don’t need AI for that, you have automation for it. further automation might be cool too, but the LLM has no place in doing a useful task like that.
You can tell most people making this narrative haven’t ever been to a factory
I hate the ai boom.
We needed to continue to advance automation. Weve had it for years and its all we need. It just needs to continue to improve!
Why bring on this fucking massive philosophical and ethical issue in an already crazy world? What the fuck are we even doing here?
Giving value to shareholders or something like that :/
Robots do, there is anlot of automation now in big mines, Copper be extracted in El Teniente mine in chile, in the middle of the andes and the “miners” can sit comfortably in a control room in the city of rancagua with a cup of coffee.
EDT: Altough part of the mine is still manned.
Those machines are not robots in the sense that they can do stuff at least partially autonomously. Everything is remote controlled, i.e. There’s a human in the loop at all times. Present day robots can’t even do the simplest tasks without being teleoperated.
Who cares as long as thr dangerous work in the mines is not handed out to children and other victims of capitalism anymore?
oh and that mine I cite, El Teniente is state owned so the profit turns into hospitals and schools.
I wasn’t saying automation is a bad thing, i just said it’s not the same as robotics.
Robotics has been a field long before the current AI hype started. It’s been about sensory and precise motors and steel mobility under all sorts of conditions.
I think you’re conflating the term “robotics” with “autonomous robots.”
Robotics is a very, very old term.
Automation of robotics in an uncontrolled physical environment is so, so hard to program for.
This is why we got advanced language, music, art, speaking models first. There’s SO much of that data (they stole and pillaged every scrap, but the fact is that it exists) that models can be trained on.
There isn’t vast stores of raw sensor data that maps physical environments to servo, hydraulic, pneumatics correlated with optical, heat, tactile feedback etc.
If you think about how uncoordinated toddlers are, and how many years it takes to map all the inputs humans receive and learn how that translates to our environment so we can move around without much thought, you’ll kind of get what I mean. That information just hasn’t been collected on a large scale in a way that machine learning can train on it.
This is the underlying challenge of autonomous robotics. We’ll get there, but for now we still need humans controlling pretty much everything that doesn’t have an ultra-controlled space like factory floors.
I was in a grocery store the other day and they had some sign on a Roomba looking thing that was struggling to navigate the produce section. I can’t imagine how hard it would be to create a machine that can reliably and safely mine ores autonomously.
That’s just not true. I can’t speak for mines, but warehousing and collecting garbage from the ocean and other domains do have fully autonomous systems.
Humanoid robots aren’t really used anywhere, but that’s cause they aren’t really a functional product yet.
Why don’t robots do something useful, like transporting things, washing the dishes or my clothes!!1!
empties the dishwasher and hops in a car
Allegedly the reason can be found in the published Epstein files. But the people told me never pointed me to an exact portion, though it was something in the lines of:
Can you operate these image recognition and similar systems in reverse? That could be used for art generation, and we could dethrone the left from its ivory tower.
Quiet. I know there are atonomous haul trucks, but let’s forget about them for the sake of the joke
You get to replace a lot more cost when you swap engineers and artists for AI slop machines than you do when you swap manual labor for actual mechanical robots.
The people with the money to make the bots know this too.
“But that would be to expensive when one is damaged!” /s
The year is 2056, and congress has passed universal healthcare into law with a supermajority, but only for robots.
Mining robots won’t become computer God, silly! /s
It’s pretty simple:
Robots are very expensive. And ones that could do this type of work cost even more. Nor are they smart enough to be able to reason ahead and envision danger. So they would get crushed in cave ins a lot.
Human males, and yes its vastly men that do mining, are cheap and in plentiful supply. They can do at least some rudimentary reasoning and will get crushed less often. And if you lose a few, well they are easily and cheaply replaced. Making them far more profitable to use.
As an aside, companies are designing and building robotic construction equipment these days. It’s just that none of you hang around with such “dirty trades”.
First you say it can’t be done because it’s too complicated & expensive. Then you say it’s already being done. So which is it?
OP is a robot who is desperately coming up with excuses to avoid being sent to the mines
I never said it couldn’t be done. Just that it’s really expensive and very complicated, (that’s the whole looking ahead and reasoning the dangers - AI robots are not yet that capable), vs the cost of human life.
What IS being done is above ground human supervised robotics doing VERY simple tasks. Because that’s all they can do right now. But it’s an expensive buy in vs cheap human labor so you don’t see it much.
As I said, none of you here get your hands that dirty with that type of work. You just complain from afar.
It can’t be done by every company/can’t be done en masse at an economically viable cost.
But it can, and is, done in smaller cases.
These things aren’t mutually exclusive
If a robot is being remote-controlled by a human, surely that’s using Real Intelligence, not Artificial Intelligence
That wouldn’t really be counted as a robot. Remote controlled machinery has been around for a long time.
You don’t know what robots are, then. Your dishwasher is one
I showed my dishwasher a captcha and it was just standing there like an absolute dumbfuck. Robot confirmed.
Dishwashers are pretty stupid.
I have been a dishwasher at several of my jobs.
Am I a robot?
A meat based one
That’s stretching the definition to the point where it’s entirely meaningless.
I suggest you consult a reputable dictionary
When work is done by the underclass, human life is cheaper than maintaining complex automation.
people have been complaining about machines taking jobs since the 1800’s
As long as they don’t solve material coat issue for sophisticated and specialized robot, let alone how their ai work without failure, robot will always be defeated by ol reliable cheap human miners.
turns out, a lot of manual labour tasks are too complex to automate easily. even if the work is repetitive and seems like it would be simple, there’s a lot of things that you can’t just stick a robot into and have it work
computer tasks, on the other hand… it’s a lot easier, and there’s much better training data, and the stakes are theoretically (and often in practice) lower.
now, as for WHY we’re not globally prioritizing automating the dangerous stuff completely, that’d be because money, I imagine
edit: I’m referring to semi-autonomous robots here, not general automation. automation in general is still going strong, as companies love to spend a few millions dollars to automate something so they save on many more millions of labour costs in the future. customers will buy a custom machine from us for a couple million and operator costs will halve while production doubles. the remaining half of the operator costs I mentioned to towards maintenance staff, which is generally a more skilled position than assembly line work. obviously my numbers are rough, but you get the idea
