• Cysio@lemmygrad.ml
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    20 days ago

    saw a georgist on fedi arguing that we actually don’t live in capitalism and that if georgism were implemented then capitalism would be good

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        The only that matters is land ownership. If you design the perfect redistributive land tax, it doesn’t matter what economic system you have. You will solve society.

        The Land Value Tax, their central position, is actually a really good idea. But they think it’s a cure-all.

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        tl;dr Yes.

        The main thing Georgists believe is that no one has a special right to natural resources (NB: Georgists use “land” to mean “natural resources,” a holdover from classical economics), and so the state should fund itself, primarily if not fully, by charging a fee for their use. This gives a “principled” justification for taxation, and economically speaking it’s generally considered a good tax policy. There’s no real reason to argue against it, although they get carried away on just how good of a policy it is, like it’s going to solve every problem in the world and should be prioritized above all else.

        The two big problems with Georgists are that that they don’t have any clear, explicit strategy for how to get their big idea implemented, and that they don’t have a clear understanding of class dynamics.

        Historically, Henry George seemed to conclude, almost as an afterthought to his economic arguments, that some kind of alliance could be formed between the workers and the bourgeoisie, against the landowners. He saw the bourgeoisie and landowners as separate classes, which may have had some degree of truth in the 1800’s with the new money industrialists and the old money aristocrats. And to a certain degree at that time, the bourgeoisie could be considered a “progressive” force compared to the aristocrats. But George took that too far at the time, and these days it’s just completely archaic. Whether someone is a landowner or bourgeoisie or both is just a question of where they choose to invest, hell, if they have someone manage it they might not even know. And that class is completely opposed to asserting collective control over any part of the market, no matter how much you assure them that you only want the land.

        Modern Georgists don’t necessarily agree with that but still don’t have any clear coherent strategy, beyond just trying to win in the marketplace of ideas. What I’ve seen is like, forming a nonpartisan think tank to make the case to mayor’s offices. There are some community land trusts that claim to be based on Georgist ideas that tend to wind up pretty bougie which I guess might be the goal? But it’s like, obviously you can’t really build a mass movement around nuanced tax policy rather than things that people understand and experience, like healthcare.

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    I’d be open to the idea that “crony capitalism” describes a particular development of capitalism, but people always use it to say that’s what we have instead of “real capitalism”. Sorry, but no, it’s just another highly developed stage of capitalism that should be expected. I suspect it’s a stage of the development of late capitalism into fascism - the turning inwards and employment of imperialist tactics in the core territories of empire.

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    fr tho, “technofeudalism” describes their intentions pretty well with this new wave over tech oligarch capitalism.

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    As a side note, I listened to someone read and analyze Mussolini’s book, “The Doctrine of Fascism” and learned that the official economic position of Italian fascism back in the day was a type of syndicalism called “Corporatism.”

    Of course I know liberals aren’t referencing this book when they call capitalism Corporatism but I didn’t know it meant anything at all. I always thought the word was just a way for boot licking liberals to defend capitalism and their position in the labor aristocracy.

    Edit: The video is by Madeline Pendleton and is linked (YouTube) https://youtu.be/EBZqHkPVxuU