• MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
      109·
      10 days ago

      They don’t want you knowing what other people think of the video. It’s just about what you think of the video. Much easier to have an algorithmically perfect echo chamber if everyone is privately rating things and has no idea what others think about them.

        • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
          3·
          10 days ago

          Well it isn’t beneficial for the company because people might realize they hold unpopular opinions and the company wants to be able to control the people’s opinions regardless of popularity, that way they can keep users on the site engaging with that content for longer.

        • Koarnine@pawb.social
          1·
          10 days ago

          But then how do you stop people clicking to see first, locking them in? But then how do you deal with missclicks?

    • Farid@startrek.website
      141·
      10 days ago

      I’m pretty sure that 99% of the time 1 and 5 stars options were used, so like/dislike is enough. There isn’t much point in including a “I have no strong feelings one way or another” button.

      • MotoAsh@piefed.socialEnglish
        5·
        10 days ago

        Sure there is: A known quantity is always better than an unknown quantity. Though would be far more informative if rating was mandatory, or otherwise defaulted to 3 stars or some such.

        • Farid@startrek.website
          11·
          10 days ago

          Then just assume that video that hasn’t been interacted with is 3 stars, same result. I could see there being an additional like above regular one, like love our something. But YT now kinda has the hype feature which I suppose does a similar job.

  • ameancow@lemmy.worldEnglish
    43·
    10 days ago

    The stars used to tell the company if you thought the video quality was good.

    The stars now tell the company how to tailor a version of reality specifically to what you want to see and feel.

    • RogerMeMore@reddthat.comEnglish
      102·
      10 days ago

      “Oh man, I remember those days when the stars actually meant something! Now they’re just trying to push their own agenda on us.”

    • Randelung@lemmy.world
      23·
      10 days ago

      Hate it. Gave my employer a bad review, 1-2 stars in most categories, and the average was still a 3.7?? I have to adjust my intuition when reading star reviews. Apparently 3.5 is bottom of the barrel.

      • tuff_wizard@aussie.zone
        17·
        10 days ago

        The good news is: that reviews wasn’t really accurate.

        The bad news is: that review wasn’t really anonymous.

        • Randelung@lemmy.world
          7·
          10 days ago

          My last day is Friday. :)

          I’ve tried my best during the last seven years to make a change, both by lobbying upper management and introducing change in my team. Nothing stuck, nobody besides my team mates cared. So I hope it’s not really anonymous. I’m clinging to the illusion they’ll somehow take it to heart now that it’s public, for the betterment of the team mates I leave behind.

      • copd@lemmy.world
        1·
        10 days ago

        I don’t understand, are you inferring the reviews do not accurately represent the results?

        • Randelung@lemmy.world
          4·
          10 days ago

          I don’t think 3.7 stars accurately describes my experience in that company, yes. But that means that the meaning I gave to what 3.7 stars feels like is not what the company feels like, mostly because my ‘lowest’ would be 0 stars. In my world, 2.5 stars is 50% - but crucially it’s not, 3 stars is 50%. That’s why I have to recalibrate my feelings of the star system.

  • scala@lemmy.ml
    252·
    10 days ago

    Funny enough the dislike button is there but hidden. You can get extensions that show the thumbs down button and how many clicked it.

        • 87Six@lemmy.zip
          15·
          10 days ago

          In my experience, the extension is INCREDIBLY good. Whenever I get a shady video, it has dislikes, and normal videos almost never have any significant amount of dislikes. They’re as accurate as they can be but it’s more than enough to be useful.

    • Nangijala@feddit.dk
      7·
      10 days ago

      Apparently the extensions aren’t reliable at all. I saw a video at one point where a guy went over why you cannot trust the extensions and how the numbers are pure fiction, but I forget the exact reasons. I think one example was that the same video would have vastly differnet numbers of down votes depending on the person with the extension. Something something confirmation bias.

      For me, it doesn’t really matter. I still down vote when I dislike a video. They may not count my vote at all, but I still do it out of stubbornness.

      • Ironfacebuster@lemmy.world
        6·
        10 days ago

        They actually do count it but it’s only visible to the uploader

        Also, from what I understand about specifically ReturnYoutubeDislikes it counts dislikes FROM people using the extension and uses that to extrapolate from the visible like count. I haven’t seen the video though so it’s definitely possible that’s all bunk

    • Credibly_Human@lemmy.world
      21·
      9 days ago

      The thing is, people themselves outside of business motives hate negativity.

      People regularly get angry at others for bringing up criticisms of everything from foods to their favourite media products.

      Even decades ago they’d give them names like negative Nancy, and within social settings the worst people often can win by weaponizing civility to quell legitimate backlash against immoral actions.

      I mean, fuck, think about how many stories you’ve heard of people who have been the victims of sexual assault, who get told by normal people to shut up and whose experiences were diminished because it harshed other peoples mellow?

      People suck, and one of the biggest reasons people suck, is they would prefer a harmful peaceful positivity than a tumultuous improvement causing negativity.

      I think these companies are hooking into these human flaws in ways that hurt us, and benefit them with information asymmetry.

      I don’t think we can properly fix these flaws without somehow getting normal people to acknowledge that negativity is not just good, but vitally important.

  • ramble81@lemmy.zip
    14·
    10 days ago

    Anyone else notice that thumbs down is back, there just isn’t a counter. I’ve seen it for a few weeks now.

    • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      14·
      10 days ago

      I’m pretty sure it never was different tho I usually use a plugin that shows thumbs-downs. It’s basically guessing for new videos so it’s not really useful but still

      • Tynan@lemmy.mlEnglish
        10·
        10 days ago

        I’m pretty sure it counts the dislikes of the people who also have the extension installed, and extrapolates from that.

    • M137@lemmy.world
      4·
      10 days ago

      I thought it never left? They just didn’t show the number of dislikes to anyone other than the channel who made the video (without plugins, revanced etc).

      • triple@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        3·
        10 days ago

        It does. Dislikes are still visible in revanced and probably other 3rd party wrappers. Must still be accessible via API.

  • lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    12·
    10 days ago

    I get the first step. You don’t watch a video and have the urge to tell the world that it was neither good nor bad. I think they moved to stars because everyone just gave 1 or 5 eitherway

    • ObjectivityIncarnate@lemmy.world
      3·
      10 days ago

      Yeah, that’s not definitely not on YouTube, the final ‘star score’ was effectively indicative only of the ratio of the 5-stars to the 1-stars. The infinitesimal minority that would actually thoughtfully rate 2, 3, or 4 stars made no difference at all.

  • ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip
    7·
    10 days ago

    My favorite is Amazon streaming that has a “rating for your taste out of 5 stars”, but they don’t want it to point out that most of their catalog is shit, so everything from Shawshank Redemption to Movie 43 are “4.5 stars for you”

    • Bazell@lemmy.zip
      4·
      10 days ago

      I do not know why to use Netflix in the first place if you can simply visit free streaming platforms like HDREZKA, watch a few ads and then enjoy your film. Yeah, ads can be annoying sometimes but, at least, all is free, content doesn’t get removed simply because of it is no longer watched actively and no forced registration. And they also provide some useful features like the personal lists, collections, different sound records, history of publication for series and even the approximate schedule for the upcoming series which is really useful.

    • Zacryon@feddit.orgEnglish
      61·
      10 days ago

      I disagree. There are a lot of videos that I find just “meh”. I might not regret watching them, but wouldn’t recommend them nor watch again.
      Then there is content which I find pretty good/bad but not extremely good or bad. For such cases a more nuanced scale is better.

      For other users this might be less informative, since they will be seeing just the average anyway and can therefore only determine general perception; except if the distribution is also made available.

      But for a personalized recommendation system I think a nuanced scale can work better.

      From a content creators perspective one can also evaluate better whether there is room for improvement and by “how much”, in case one is interested in such.