Source: https://lemmy.ca/post/69673892
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He is one of the best presidents in US history. The orange Mongoose is one of the worst if not the worst. Obama bombed the ever loving shit out of the middle east. Obama deported more people from the US than Trump at the moment.
I would do almost anything to go back to the Obama era, seriously. But I don’t want anyone thinking I believe Obama was some kind of saint. He wasn’t. He simply did things better than Trump.
His immigration policy made more sense. He deported people who actually needed to be deported without resorting to modern-day concentration camps. He used military force in the Middle East, but generally for far more defensible reasons. He was a significantly better diplomat, and he certainly handled Iran better than Trump ever did, without throwing tantrums and shitting himself on national television.
It’s true. He was the most competent steward of empire we’ll ever see in our lifetimes.
Massacring civilians in Libya, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq
Couping the governments of Honduras, Ukraine, and Egypt
Arming and funding right-wing dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Bahrain
Keeping Guantánamo Bay open
Deporting more people than Trump ever did
Dismantling his own grassroots progressive organization leading to the loss of over a dozen states to the Tea Party
Provided cover for BP during the Horizon Oil Disaster
Bailed out Wall Street and pushed millions into homelessness and rentiership
Massively expanded the illegal surveillance state, pretty much spying on everyone and anyone
Operation Fast & Furious, i.e. sanctioned illegal gun running by the government
Funded, armed and trained Al-Qaeda in Syria, leading to the rise of ISIS
“Amended” the Smith Mundt Act to make it easier for the US government to spread blatant propaganda at home and especially overseas
Used the IRS to target progressive groupings like Occupy Wall Street, got so bad the director of the Exempt Organizations Unit of the Internal Revenue Service, Lois Lerner resigned
Signed the Lehey Smith America Invents Act, which fucked over inventors and gave corporations increased ability to steal tech and hoard it
Prosecuted more journalists than any previous president in history by criminalizing whistleblowing
Nah it’s obvious these MAGA people are just mad because of his tan suit
other than fast&furious, which some gun nuts are mad about, maga supports or doesn’t give a shit about any of that and actually did make a bigger stink about dijon musterd, the tan suit, and a fist-bump.
Oh no, not defending MAGA. Liberals just keep thinking anyone critical of Amerikans, specifically Democrats to be MAGA or conservatives lmao
I got what you both meant
Despite liberals ruining the phrase, 2 things can be true at once
Everything CyborgMarx listed were what the real scandals should’ve been but republicans were more concerned with dumb shit that was mostly just a dog whistle for some even dumber racist shit
He deported people who actually needed to be deported without resorting to modern-day concentration camps.
This person has never once spoken to an immigrant in their life. They have no idea what it’s like to be a poor, marginalized immigrant in the US and to live with the ever-present fear of deportation that has existed long before Trump took office.
They have no idea what it’s like to be poor or marginalized in general. Or that they’re persistently a couple paychecks away from becoming the former.
Yup, I’m so tired of being told by other white middle class queer people on
that voting Dem is “basic harm reduction” cause I’m like “for who, y’all know we aren’t the only people who matter right?”Trans person here and yeah. Fuck every single person that tries to use that excuse.
I legit had someone tell me I should “care about myself more than single issues”. That single issue being genocide.
And to them I said no fuck you the lives of millions of Palestinians are in fact more important than the two of us and that if it were a choice between them and myself dying or the continuation of genocide I would die fighting for that without hesitation.
Holy shit everyone in that thread:
So these people actually do support what Trump does, but they oppose it just because of Trump
Vote BLUE no matter who! in a nutshell
No they just hate how poorly trump does it. So just the optics
we need to clockwork orange libs with King’s Letter From a Birmingham Jail
Do that and they’re going to go from Democrat to Dixiecrat in a millisecond.
then they can face the wall
He’s RUDE and CRASS and that’s what I cannot tolerate in my leadership, they all do war crimes but I want them to appear respectable.
Yeah this one deserve to face the wall.
“He simply did things better than Trump” What things? Let’s see the list they provided.
- Obama bombed the ever loving shit out of the middle east.
- Obama deported more people from the US than Trump at the moment.
Oh right.
but generally for far more defensible reasons.
Can we collective make a rule that anyone saying “defence” or “aggressor” wrong is just put down immediately?
What things?
He wore them masks.
hitler’s officers trying to assassinate him cos he’s running the war incompetently
He deported people who actually needed to be deported
You see, that latino family needed to be deported and have their children stolen by the US goverment!
He used military force in the Middle East, but generally for far more defensible reasons.
I’m sure farmers in Yemen was really dangerous for the US.
He was a significantly better diplomat, and he certainly handled Iran better than Trump ever did, without throwing tantrums and shitting himself on national television.
HE had fucking Hillary Clinton controlling his Iran deal lol
June 2014, Amnesty International - WAREHOUSED AND FORGOTTEN Immigrants Trapped in Our Shadow Private Prison System
i can’t believe trump did that 2.5 years before he was in office
From a communist point of view, its Nixon and tbh I’m not even sure its close. Lincoln was kinda forced into doing what he was doing by the situation at hand, Benjamin Wade would have rocked the South and fully completed Reconstruction (Marx also talked positively about Wade in passing). Nixon kinda just went off and started trading with China despite siege still being a valid tactic. He also made the EPA, made dialysis widely available, and more. He also had a conscience and resigned over it, which is kinda top tier as far as American presidents go. The repercussions of the Nixon admin are also the basis for the current geopolitical situation, 50 years later. Mao also said to a Japanese PM “I told Nixon, ‘I voted for you when you ran for President. You still don’t know.’”
Obama is a pretty ridiculous option. Maybe the best of the presidents after Jimmy Carter? But thats a low ass bar.
i’m partial to that guy who gave himself pneumonia and died in a month.
also carter is way down because of operation cyclone and his staff’s bleeder faction
I’m not saying Carter is particularly good, I mostly like him because he was a 1 termer and fucked off. Obama was definitely the best steward of empire, but he obviously wasn’t good for any normal every day person.
Also he actually did labor even after his presidency building houses and shit. Something almost no other president did.
Also his peanut farm was more like the family ranches of old than industrial ag of today.
Carter is sort of a mixed bag, he also comes from a slaver family, but thats just normal for US rich and powerful people
The best thing about Nixon was his unending revulsion and hatred for Washington D.C. and the East Coast elite.
The worst part about Nixon was that he was a lying piece of shit who pretty much let Kissinger run rampant in the Department of Defense.
That said, as a communist, Nixon is a mixed bag, because while he absolutely set the stage for the Chinese Century, his tactics are also what set the stage for the dissolution of the USSR, by demonstrating to the developing Russian oligarchs that integration into the Western Economy was a possibility, when that was never the intention with Russia.
It was a masterstroke of genius, on both the part of the CPC and the U.S., mostly to the detriment of international communism (not that it was in a particularly great spot at that point, but still).
Maybe the best of the presidents after Jimmy Carter? But thats a low ass bar.
Normalizing with Cuba and the JCPOA with Iran were both good. He was relatively less zionist than the presidents around him. That’s about it imo, and it probably is enough to set him above the others.
As I said in my other comments man was the closest to an actual working man even if a lot of it was for show he was in fact a skilled carpenter.
He did some good in his post presidency. He visited Haiti to avoid an invasion by the US and managed to negociate the return of the Socialist Catholic President. He managed to visit North Korea and fuck Bill Clinton’s Plan to attack North Korea. He sided with Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales during the 2004 coup attempt in Venezuela and crisis in Bolivia. He wrote a book that pissed Israel so much that he basically got kicked out of the Democrat Party. Though he still funded the Genocide in East Timor and the Taliban in Afghanistan when he was president.
What i’m learning is that America does what America always does. The only difference under Trump is that they have realised they don’t even need to do the legwork first. If you don’t like it? what are you going to do? Vote harder next time? They know they have sufficiently pacified the American people so revoloution isn’t going to happen.
without resorting to modern-day concentration camps.
He fucking built them! Where do you think they came from?!?!
It’s amazing how Trump makes people forget about the slavery supporter whose presidency ended with a civil war. Buchanan is hard to beat as the worst president.
Even in the context of the Iran War, Trump hasn’t cleared Bush yet
“Orange mongoose”
Ugh
Obungler did nothing after Sandy Hook. Obungler was the reason Trump got elected
i think Clinton did more to get trump elected than obama did. Obama is definitely why he was mad enough to run, but the pied piper shit has no equal.
Obama told Biden not to run in '16 and ratfucked Bernie in '20
clinton would’ve smoked biden in the primary and trump didn’t win in '20, despite everyone’s best efforts to punt
Bernie wouldn’t have lost to Trump in 2024. Obozo could have prevented two Trump terms and he chose wrong both times. Also remember when the Midwest was a blue wall and Ohio/Florida were swing states?
i don’t know how you get two terms, when (repeating myself) clinton would’ve smoked biden in the primary, so i don’t see how obama gets any blame for 2016.
iirc florida’s shift is because of old white people moving there. wisconsin went trump because clinton didn’t campaign there. etc.
Florida turning red was also due to the blue MAGA resistance lib bullshit the state democratic party pulled running an ex republican against DeSantis
Bernie would have lost, because DNC would have rather thrown the election than let him win.
libs are unable to understand anything in time series. Like when they want to return to Clinton era economics when “everybody” could afford a house without realizing that it was that exact scenario that led to 2008 and the current housing crisis.
the steven segal act repeal is what caused '08, that was very late clinton. the “everybody” who could buy a house in the 90s was decently paid white people, and that’s who liberals care about.
