We need more cloud services.
We need to democratize the internet again, every generation there’s a ma bell pretending they own the internet. Current Gen is Google, AWS, Azure and the like, with ISPs just making sure they get their cut.
I don’t have an issue with these services existing, but in such a way that everything depends on a couple companies? Dangerous for everyone.
“There’s a monopoly” — proceeds to list 3 separate providers. Don’t forget there’s also Akami, now we’re up to 4. Oh, and Cloud Flare… so that’s 5.
The issue is more so with companies that choose to use cloud providers. They’re the ones attempting to cheap out because they don’t want to pay infrastructure costs. You also have a lack of knowledge by engineers on how to create redundant/reliable systems.
Not everything on the internet went down. There’s plenty that was just fine. So I don’t really don’t know what “democratizing” it would gain, or how.
Edit: For anyone downvoting, I’d love to hear what “democratizing” the internet means, how it would work, or be functional. Because right now it just strikes me as salty people who’s favorite site went down.
“There’s a monopoly” — proceeds to list 3 separate providers. Don’t forget there’s also Akami, now we’re up to 4. Oh, and Cloud Flare… so that’s 5.
Thats called a Cartel. and a cartel can fucking monopolize shit, dumbass.
With your personal attack your handle suits you.
Yes, yes. Go for the low hanging bait, that certainly makes you look more righter.
Democratizing the internet would mean half the known internet not hosting their infrastructure in us-east-2.
It would work and be functional exactly as the internet was designed to be, and worked and functioned for years, by hosting their own servers.
proceeds to list 3 separate providers
Just don’t look to hard at the market share or the client composition, sure.
The issue is more so with companies that choose to use cloud providers. They’re the ones attempting to cheap out because they don’t want to pay infrastructure costs.
I mean, do you tell people they’re cheaping out because they hire a plumber rather than spending eighteen months learning to DIY every pipe in their house? There’s nothing fundamentally wrong with outsourcing to cloud services on its face. A couple big warehouses at strategic points in town specifically designed to operate as central hubs for digital traffic makes far more sense than every single office building having a dozen different floors with two IT guys of dubious quality in a badly ventilated closet manning cobbled together rack space.
For anyone downvoting, I’d love to hear what “democratizing” the internet means, how it would work, or be functional.
One of the more successful American models for publicly owned and operated data infrastructure:
For starters: thank you for a thought out response. It feels like most people are missing the core point and just blaming the provider.
Even if there were a “public” public cloud, the underlying issue I’m getting at is with the companies that are using it. AWS has multiple regions. There are multiple cloud providers such as GCP and Azure too. Yet the companies are the ones defaulting to a single region, single provider configuration, which as we all know is still a SPOF, no matter what redundancy is built in.
To that point nowhere im saying that you can’t democratize things.
this headline has mad ‘it was was in the last place i looked’ vibe.
It’s funny, because I’ve heard a variety of reasons why the outage happened, why it wasn’t caught in time, why it signaled a problem with hardware versus software or human error versus automation.
I think its safe to say the company is increasingly over-managed and under-staffed, no matter how you slice it. Maybe its time to just break the mega-corp up already and let some good old fashioned free market competition fix this mess.
some good old fashioned free market competition
This kills the billionare
Amazon just did more layoffs today.
We need to ditch cloud entirety and go in house again.
I certainly don’t miss dealing with air conditioning, dry fire protection, and redundant internet connections.
I also don’t miss trying to deal with aging servers out and bringing new hardware in.
That work is still being done by someone in a data centre. But all these jobs went from in-house positions to the centres.
The inverse of the old axiom “The cloud is just someone else’s computer” is “Yes, duh, that’s how you get economies of scale”.
In-housing would mean an enormous increase in demand for physical hardware and IT technical services with a large variance in quality and accessibility. Like, it doesn’t fix the underlying problem. It just takes one big problem and shatters it into a thousand little problems.
That’s good though. It means half the internet wouldn’t fail.
I think some of you younger folks really don’t know what the Internet was like 20 years ago.Shit was up and down all the time.
I worked on a project back in 2008 where I had to physically haul hardware from Houston to Dallas ahead of Hurricane Ike just to keep a second rate version of a website running until we got power back at the original office. Latency at the new location was so bad that we were scrambling to reinvent the website in real time to try and improve performance. We ended up losing the client. They ended up going bankrupt. An absolute nightmare.
Getting screamed at by clients. Working 14 hour days in a cramped server room on something way outside my scope.
Would have absolutely killed for something as clean and reliable as AWS. Not like it didn’t even exist back then. But we self-hosted because it was cheaper.
Reminder to everyone, if you aren’t necessarily worried about uptime too much, and have a spare device at home, you can host personal websites and various services that might be useful for yourself or friends and family. To keep it simple, all you would really need is
- an up-to-date router that isn’t end-of-life
- a firewall that geo blocks traffic from outside your country and blocks all ports except 80 and 443
- port forwarding 80 and 443 to your device
- setup dynamic dns service (some routers can handle this)
- a domain name
Keep your device and router updated and reboot it every once in a while to load the updated kernel. Then just install some web server software or whatever on your device and point your domain to it.
Together, we can decentralize the web a little bit 🙂
We need more self hosted services
We also need more individuals paying for “business” Internet connections at home. We need self-hosters to be able to feel comfortable running public services from their homes. And so we need a set of practices and recipes to follow, so a self-hoster can feel confident that, if one thing gets broken into, the other few dozen things they’re hosting will stay safe.
The “family nerd” hosting things for the family needs to be a thing again. Sorry, friends, I know family tech support sucks. It’ll suck so much more when it’s a web site down and nobody can reach their kid’s softball team page, and there’s a game next weekend, etc. But we’ve seen what happens when we abdicate our responsibilities and let for-profit companies handle it for us.
(I wish so hard that I had a solution ready, a corporate LAN in a box, that someone can just install and use. I’m working on something, but I’m pretty sure I over-complicated it. It doesn’t need to be Fort Knox, it just needs to be pretty good. And I suck at ops stuff.)
Homes should come with a static IP address.
Even just ipv6 would be nice so that we don’t need NAT
We need more places offering the same upload as download so people can do these things from home. Here I know spectrum only offers like 10mb upload even if you’ve got like 3gb download.
It’s not just speed, CGNAT is a near complete “fuck you” to self-hosting. You can work around it with a VPN endpoint “in the cloud”, but that still means you are reliant on someone else’s computer.
You need a new modem that supports the higher upload speed protocol. And having a DOCSIS 3.1 isn’t enough… it has to be a DOCSIS 3.1 that supports the new protocols. I had to switch to a Hitron CODA because my Netgear CM1000 wasn’t enough anymore
I’m so tired of my 40Mbps upload speeds. Why can I get 1.2Tbps down, but only 40Mbps up? It’s crazy.
Because that’s literally the minimum upload speed they can give you. If you’re pulling down data at 1.2Gbps, you’ll be sending back 40Mbps in response traffic. If they could give you less, they would.
most consumers don’t need upload speeds. they aren’t uploading anything. most people’s internet traffic is like 99.9% streaming videos at this point.
Everyone with a cloud backup for anything needs a decent upload speed or it takes days to complete a backup
Yes, so? So it’s fine to for literally no reason forcibly limit it? Just because old people don’t need 1tb phones doesn’t mean we should just make all iPhones 256mb phones.
We need to put Amazon in the cloud.
Cuz, you know, the cloud never goes down 👎. /s
