how it feels to find out your good at anything under capitalism. “Whoa this kids good at math! Let’s get them billable asap! Now model the fucking robot, Shinji!”
The concept of “good at” is also capitalistic.
I don’t think so. How so?
It’s implied competition.
Skill existed before capitalism
If I can guess at what @bloogoose@lemmy.zip means, it is that what we socially recognize as skill is conditioned by what is socially productive labor in society. In past economic eras, productive labor generally meant productive of use value, but now in the capitalist era it means productive of value which embeds competition into the concept of skill instead of it being attached externally in a contrived competition. Because value is intrinsically linked to time and labor speedup, our historical notion of skill relates to how quickly someone can produce. In a different era there could be more appreciation for what might be called “wisdom”, something you can’t measure in a time trial.
What?
Competition isnt inherently capitalistic. Sports predate capitalism and ideally would continue long after it.
Being good at something isn’t capitalist.
Being good at something putting you in a meritocratic order that doesn’t even care about that something in particular is capitalist.
Define being good at something without comparison to others.
Accomplishing a potentially harmful task without harming yourself
… Alright.
Accomplishing some at a satisfactory level without injuring yourself or others.
But it’s also not capitalist to compare yourself to others in the same trade.
Who decides the satisfactory level?
Um trade?
You talk to the person who is going to use the thing what they need. The person making the thing and using the thing might even be the same.
Are you doing some ahistoric people always have done capitalist production bit?
Not at all.
It’s the opposite. Y’all are using phrases and terminology as interchangeable with both capitalistic endeavors and non capitalistic endeavors. I’m trying to point that out, but either I’m an idiot or y’all are obtuse.
Depends on the organization of labor. In a horizontal arrangement, the workers themselves decide if someone is pulling their weight or not, and whether that’s a big enough deal to be an issue.
I do largely agree with this. Maybe using “experienced vs not” would work better. I’d say one can have a knack for a various things, but mostly it’s just having patience to beat one’s head against a wall until they find the best way to do so. Maybe “having a knack for something and having that passion being immediately exploited under capitalism” is a more accurate phrasing.
However that experience is also no doubt highly valuable, and a large portion of that experience is an awareness of things like labor theory of value in some form or fashion; or that labor given under capitalism is labor exploited.
Idk I really lost the thread but thought we had something going here.
Orangutan union when?
Better driver than the 80% of the humans with driving license.
Hello handsome!
Ape shall not force ape to serve poorly made burger and fries to other apes
Me: “what would it be like if apes could talk?”
An American: “mmm mcdonalds?”
I dunno. I think the world would be better if monkeys had jobs. Like sometimes you went to work and your coworker was an ape and whatever accommodations they needed to do the job were in place. And maybe you hung out after work or maybe you didn’t just like anybody else.
I’d rather be a zoo animal than a worker
