I almost got a Trump voter to agree with socialism by pointing out that the concrete plant he and his father worked at, which supported a whole town, could be shut down by someone halfway around the world to save a buck. I asked him “shouldn’t you have a say in that?”
What stopped him from agreeing in the end?
His buddy saying “that’s communism!”
The correct response to that is “what is communism?”
Proceeds to give a description of capitalism.
This doesn’t work. They don’t actually care what words mean.
Memes like this are beyond dumb because different ideologies could share similar concepts. The idea of people owning their workplace is not exclusive to socialism. Capitalism is founded on the same idea, just a different interpretation.
Do you even know what Capitalism means?
Do you? Capitalism is quite literally the idea that private individuals can own and control the means of production.
So not the same as all the workers owning the factory…just one guy maybe.
No every business is a factory or a corporation, most businesses aren’t.
Most businesses have atleast one employee who has no ownership stake in the company
And? You understand that socialism is antithetical to the concept of ownership, right? Of course you don’t. You don’t even understand what it is.
No, socialism is antithetical to the concept of non worker ownership.
The concept of ownership? Do you think socialistes aren’t allowed to own, say, the clothes they wear?
No. Marx, who defined Capitalism was clear that it was a state of the world where most wealth was controlled by a select few.
Marx didn’t define capitalism moron
Fair. It was defined by a French socialist apparently. Still, capitalism was defined by the left.
No, you’re still wrong. There is not single person who made or defined capitalism. It’s a concept that evolved through through the contributions of multiple philosophers and economists in different times. Kind of like the internet. It’s not like Marxism where it has specific inventors that you can point to.
I meant the term
Go a step further and argue Monarchies are really capitalism as well because the king is a private individual owning the means of production.
Monarchy is a system of government. Are people on this site allergic to basic information?
More than that, we’re capable of ignoring the personal attacks and push the point further. Capitalism is sociopolitical so dismissing comparisons to other political arrangements is silly
Capitalism is not sociopolitical, it’s an economic system. You don’t even have a point to push because you clearly don’t even understand what capitalism is, let alone make valid comparisons for it. Comparing capitalism to monarchy is like comparing luggage to airplanes, it’s just not the same thing.
You pointed out how capitalism depends on private property, that is a social relationship that is backed by political power to enforce said property rights. You can try to redefine economics but you can’t escape observed reality. But please continue to insist I don’t know what i am talking about, it truly adds value to the debate. You should actually require payment before making such statements
