• hypnicjerk@lemmy.world
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        3 个月前

        epstein was jewish and had tight connections with loads of influential jews. it’s not bad, just fits the pattern.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          3 个月前

          He was a Zionist and had tight connections with other influential Zionists including members of the Israeli government.

          That’s NOT the same as Jewishness itself, no matter how much Zionists and antisemites (and combinations thereof) try to convince you otherwise.

          He was also Jewish, sure, but that doesn’t have a causal link to being an abuser. Being a Zionist does.

      • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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        3 个月前

        Indeed

        But

        Israel and the IDF (shittiest band name ever, period) are making it really REALY hard not to do that.b

        I’d say it would be extremely helpful for all Jews world wide if Israel would just stop murdering babies in the biggest genocide since WWII

        • Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I mean, ISIS and the taliban were/are pretty horrific, but that’s not an excuse to be shitty to Muslims. This really isn’t different enough to matter. They aren’t shit because they’re Jewish, they’re shit and happen to be Jewish.

        • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          Israel and the IDF (shittiest band name ever, period) are making it really REALY hard not to do tha

          Only if you consider anything they say to be true, which you shouldn’t.

          Pretending that Israel is accurately representative of all Jews is itself an antisemitic trope, no matter how many Zionists in and outside of Israel subscribe to it, and we’d do well to not fall for the “some Jews think it’s true, so it must be” trap of Zionist Hasbara.

          I’d say it would be extremely helpful for all Jews world wide if Israel would just stop murdering babies in the biggest genocide since WWII

          ABSOLUTELY. Until then, though, it behooves us to believe nothing Hasbarists say and remember that there’s a lot of anti- or at least non-zionist Jews who don’t deserve to be lumped in with the genocidal maniacs and their fan club.

        • Platypus@sh.itjust.works
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          No, they aren’t. It’s extremely easy to separate the actions of the Israeli state from the beliefs and moral worth of the Jewish people. A great way to start is by actually talking to Jews, you will find that many are incredibly disenfranchised by Israel’s actions. Sure, some support the IDF, but so do many American Christians, so you can’t exactly draw conclusions from that.

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            Yeah but it’s not. I only see the polls where most Israelis don’t support Netanyahu because they WANT MORE.

            I don’t think Jews are a problem or the problem here, I do think Israel as a state is such a problems that it has corrupted most of its citizens, which unfortunately mostly are Jews.

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              That still wouldn’t justify including “Jew” in a list of otherwise entirely negative descriptors

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      I think, if you swapped the word “Jew” with “Zionist”, your point might be clearer.

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        Or, to be more blunt; shut the fuck up with this anti-semitic bullshit.

        If a person is active lobbying for Israel, or working as on behalf of that or any other terror state, that’s legitimate points of criticism. Pointing towards someone being Jewish as some ground of suspicion in its own right is dangerous bullshit of historical proportions. There’s no reason we should tolerate this shit.