I was the last one to incite a debate about Hasan on this site, and this was the comment that reframed my thinking positively.
i remember seeing this on the stream, hasan would say he agreed with the sentiment - with some dramatic exaggerated flare for entertainment purposes“Actually if you have a nuanced position on
ChinaHasan you are a cultisttankielib”I think “Dialect” in the title is a typo which should be “Dialectic”.
I’m not sure what you’re talking about comrade, it looks correct to me.
Whenever the arguments start about him, I always have to remind myself that he started his media/talking head career as the TYT nepo nephew. He has amazing politics when you compare him to Cenk and Ana (and their trajectories they took).
I think what a lot of people miss about Hasan is that he is acutely aware that that is his role to play. He talked about it a little bit when he was on the Deprogram.
Exactly. People expect perfectly Marxist Leninist takes from someone whose explicit purpose is to shove berniebros into the pipeline to socialism. Not only is he an individual and therefore flawed, but also he purposefully engages within the overton window to an extent
A lot of people miss it because they don’t watch him (which is extremely OK, and maybe even good). Many also seem to ignore people who explain this in every thread, so we are always at the same starring point instead of developing better criticisms and viewpoints.
i get the sense that a lot of people here have been burned by people like contrapoints and are suspicious of The Pipeline because of it
i’m in a bubble i’m sure but people that liked her old decent for the moment stuff dropped her over NBphobia and/or associating with Clinton.
True, as people should be, Contra is one of the tumours that prevent people from going further left, for example
Its great to be suspicious and critical! The starting point of that conversation must be grounded in fact!
Nobody even has to like the guy at all, but the question needs to be “how do we use him/his community?”
“He is a lib and gave Bernie a pass” is almost there, but even then I often see it posted to dismiss any further conversation.
I was the last one to insight a debate about Hasan on this site
And I hope you continue to be the last one.
I’d be more shocked than a dog on a livestream if that were the last Hasan debate.
Sorry bucko, there is a long line behind me, buckle up.
Hey that’s me, mooooom get the camera
not now ma i’m postin’
To add to what you’ve originally said, pipelines only work if average people can’t connect the two ends of the pipeline. There’s a reason why the opening end of the fascist pipeline is Andrew Tate and Nick Fuentes instead of some blue eyes blonde hair Odin-worshipping freak named Olaf Henriksen. Tate being a brown Muslim and Fuentes being a (gay?) Latino is why they’re at one end of the pipeline while the Olaf Henriksens are at the other end. The Olaf Henriksens shitting on Tate and Fuentes for being [racial slurs] who are ruining white nationalism because they’re [racial slurs] play their part since normal people are going to be more easily fooled by the Tates and Fuentes going, “If you think I’m a white supremacist, you should read what actual white nationalists like Olaf Henriksen say about me. I’m just a normal guy like you who can’t stand the wokes and the [trans slur] and I wanna do something about it. Will you join me?”
This is what I’ve been saying, think in terms of utilization value for the movement rather than fine tooth combing of takes. Hasan can be naively bullish on electoralism, but he can be more approachable for people just getting into socialist politics than more hardline figures.
It’s a similar thing with Bernie, AOC, Zohran, et al. The criticisms levied against them by the revolutionary left are (usually) valid, but it’s also undeniable that they’re super popular with the normies. So it’s more useful to posit to them “if you like that, you’ll love full strength socialism” than ranting about social fascism.
I’ll go one further. Zohran also was able to get a constituent out of ICE custody with a phone call - if this sort of power becomes more common it’s fundamentally good for organizing (until he proves otherwise).
Obviously we can still critique these figures, but having a mayor who fights for his constituents rather than one that lets hogs run crazy is a good thing overall.
I genuinely don’t understand why anytime Hexbear has something to talk about we’re not allowed to talk about it. I say that as a mod too. It’s kind of maddening. Let the people fight and learn and grow and ban the ones who can’t do it respectfully it is that easy
The subject of how important media is to the cause, if media consumption is politically transformative, where media careerism fits into practical strategy, etc are all good questions worth exploring as a community. Media consumption is one of the biggest issues for leftists online (or online leftists?) and we never talk about from the outside. It’s always something boiling under the surface of these spontaneous slap-fights. We should start having structured discussions on issues that so many seem to care about.
Since we live in a world where people can make a career out of presenting socialist ideas to the world, we should probably address how that fits into a socialist movement. I can understand the USSR not getting too in-depth about radio as mass media. They didn’t conceptualize it that way because it hadn’t turned into this reality-defining commodity that has been for the past few generations. Anyone trying to do movement building in 2026 needs to address it in a formal, rigorous way.
The creator of the last thread deleted it, I guess they didn’t like us talking about it.
You shouldn’t be allowed to delete your post if people have already commented on it
Ah, the way of the warrior
a true poster I see.It caps or destroys the productive value of other posters’ labor.
It violates the NAP.
I don’t really respect the move, but it worked out since this thread provokes a better discussion about Hasan’s substance rather than starting from “I’m annoyed about something that hasn’t happened yet”.
They were from .ml, I guess they can’t take all the heat in the bear cave.
They’re a regular Hexbear user, especially the news mega.
I will repeat that Hasan actively misrepresents and quote-mines Lenin while doing unconstructive left-bashing on people who criticize his “not entryism”. He does not need to do these things to operate a “pipeline” and in fact it hinders such an effect (without nullifying it, of course).
He still does many positive things.
Yes him bashing people for correctly pointing out that platner is actually a Nazi who still actively supports the US military which he proudly served in is the opposite of being a pipeline to the left. That is sheep dog behavior, like his besties aocia and Bernie.
The military thing is a huge contradiction that the left needs to solve in the U.S. Troop worship is a huge part of the culture here. Not to mention some of the troops and former troops are radicalizing like that marine who got his hand broken. Turns out he’s running for Senate under the Green party.
There have always been radicalized vets and they are regretful of what they participated in. I know plenty of vets who are not radicalized who are anti-military from just going through it, it’s pretty obviously a bad thing. People who are pro military are by and large committed to the other side of the contradiction to the left. They are the front lines for capitalists in the class war, willing to kill even children to maintain the status quo. There are millions of US citizens who are not pro military that can actually radicalize, focusing on how to get the most fascist US citizens to radicalize is really and truly a waste of time
And by solve, do you mean “accept babykillers with open arms once they say healthcare is good”?
Open arms no, but if they’re willing to kill fascists then I’m open to some sort of reeducation/service to prove loyalty.
Like seriously, if someone’s willing to kill for left principles after changing, I would be open to allying, but with the caveat they’re on a short fucking leash. Put the Battle Royale collar on them until the dictatorship of the proletariat is established.
I should say I’m only half-jokint about the BR collar. Some form of discipline/surveillance must be done with former centrists/liberals in the coalition who might turn reactionary so that they don’t go and hijack the movement.
They can join as junior (controlled) partners. What this looks like in an electoralist context I honestly don’t know unless you have union power substantially higher than it is.
they can carry heavy boxes and talk to other boots, but they shouldn’t be in charge of anything bigger than firearms instruction.
i don’t see how we’re doing a revolution without some troops, i don’t know what criteria you want to have for them to be acceptable. maybe they can prove it by blowing up the officers’ mess.
I’m simply saying there has to be more work done than “well americans love troops now so we have to accept barely repentant imperialist social democrats into a revolutionary coalition”
We know how that goes
I partially agree, but I do like that he confronts criticism from his left head-on even if he is more dismissive than I would like. I find it mildly constructive in the same way that Florida (or which ever state) is going to add anticommunism directly to their curriculum.
Could be better, but people get a chance to hear it and maybe they bite.
I mean, again he sabotages his ability to educate even by accident on this subject because he misrepresents Lenin (and the terms of the argument) and also mostly just screams at people that they are unintelligent (I swear he did this for like 20 minutes straight on his stream two days ago) along with fossilized ridiculous ideas about how “meeting people where they are” requires running as a Dem when so many people (many Dems included, but especially independents/non-voters for this purpose) rightfully hate the Dems and being a Dem forces you to follow party discipline or get fucked.
He also doesn’t engage with these ideas in their strongest form, just with offhand chatters who are just as likely to be Gonzalite freaks or baby leftists, who he mostly screams at. He hardly talks at all about what it has meant, from a historical perspective, to begin a revolutionary movement or operate a nascent one, he just focuses on the tactics they use when they are bigger (especially the Bolsheviks, of course) while saying that Lenin actually says that to get to that point we need to run candidates in bourgeois parties.
But while he sometimes deflects the third party criticism by pointing to how he boosts PSL, etc. (which is cool and good), he still fails to engage constructively with the people complaining about entryism 98% of the time.
And I think maybe the core issue besides his stubbornness and arrogance is that he is still too taken by harm reduction arguments. He has some resistance to it, but he can’t make the leap to understanding what is to be done until he completely discards their validity.
Yep with your elaboration I’d say I mostly agree
mostly just screams at people that they are unintelligent (I swear he did this for like 20 minutes straight on his stream two days ago)
I get his frustration but yeah he does it to himself (cause it’s the audience he wanted to build), and it’s really fucking annoying cause I usually just wasn’t him to browse the same shit that gets posted here/left twitter so I can passively follow what’s going on. Happens multiple times a week (twice a day, even? Depends on the news of the day)
The two sides of a Hasan hexbear struggle session:
- Hasan has a lot of problems but he moves libs left
- Everyone here uncritically loves Hasan
incite* a debate
jeez I don’t know why I’m being so annoying lately. I’m stressed out
These are helpful critiques. My ego can take them.
Hasan saved me from being a life long lib and convinced me to vote for Platner- I’m actually planning on getting a similar tattoo in solidarity.
don’t forget to get a job at blackwater!
Fuck Hasan 😌
The ultimate irony is that if you buy into the idea of hiding your power levelTM or the pipelineTM, then you pretty much need people shitting on Hasan for being a lib. Otherwise, people are going to wonder why every single vaguely communisty person and org seem to support this dude who is totally not a commie. Imagine if every single vaguely socialisty org from CPUSA to PSL to ACP all pat Hasan on the back going “he’s our guy.” Normal people are going to start asking reasonable questions like “is Hasan a communist?” And just like how some dude going, “I’m not a fascist. I have never said anything remotely fascist” is completely unconvincing if every single fascist loser likes the dude, no one is going to buy Hasan going “I just want free healthcare, bruh” if every single person who wants more than free healthcare gives him the thumbs up.
This is assuming you believe in the pipelineTM. If you don’t, you can shit on Hasan for having garbage politics lol
