• TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    What? I don’t know when any of these were not perceived as skills. I’m not saying this to be elitist either; I’m fucking embarrassing at all three.

    This post has a solid, positive message of “we should be wary of being too rigid in our assessments of human creativity” and “just let yourself have fun”, but it comes from a really weird assumption that humans haven’t been judging humans for these things for literally ever.

    When did the “so now” part start, exactly? And how are we arbitrarily delineating “skills” and “behaviors”? Distance running is a quintessential human behavior, but it’s also a skill.

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      1 month ago

      I think maybe they were thinking pre-modern history? But even now, people do dance and sing around campfires, and ‘arts and crafts’ exist which is a pretty low judgement activity.

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        1 month ago

        I even tried to consider pre-history, and it’s always some level of unfounded or even contradictory. I won’t mince words: the post seems to just be making shit up based on some idealized version of the (naïvely homogenized) past, and I seriously doubt its author could produce any relevant, credible sources they’ve read that support this very niche talking point.

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          The other way around also has a false assumption in it. OK, maybe bees don’t have the concept if skill so much, but birds most certainly do judge singing/dancing skill (when selecting mates).

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            Yeah, wait, I completely overlooked that because I got so distracted by the human thing. Bird songs are among the most “the only reason this is done is so that it can be judged” things in nature, and it’s one of two things listed. The other one is something the bee needs to be good at and only exists for pragmatism. I cannot with this post.

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      28 days ago

      Maybe before recording and communication technologies allowed us to see and hear the best stuff all the time? Or before American Idol hammered the point home?

      I dunno, I think it’s pointing at something real, although it’s more a change in degree

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      1 month ago

      You’re calling it a hobby. That’s not what the image says. They’re behaviors. Like walking. You wouldn’t expect someone to think walking is a “fun activity in which your skill with it generally increases”. It’s just a fact of existing.

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        My behavior, now and a as child was to open things for curiosity. My hobby now is to thinker with dismantled electronic. Is this a hobby or a behavior?

        I don’t think such stricts definitions really apply to humans.

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        1 month ago

        The image doesn’t mention walking. Singing, dancing, and art. I consider those to be hobbies, don’t you? I define hobbies as fun unnecessary activity, or in this case - behavior.

      • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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        You wouldn’t expect someone to think walking is a “fun activity in which your skill with it generally increases”.

        I do. Why? Cause there are people who don’t know how to walk. Or have any spatial awareness.

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    I appreciate the sentiment, too many people put too much pressure on themselves to only do that sort of stuff if they’re trying to get better at ot.

    But birds and bees absolutely don’t do either of those things just for the hell of it.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    Unfortunately humans tend to be judgy AF. So when you’ve literally got hundreds of thousands of people who are really good at things like singing and dancing, people make comparisons. Worse yet you get media where some nobody comes out of their shell and can suddenly pull off top-tier looks, singing and dancing.

    Go big or go home.

    Sure would be great if people were more forgiving.

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    This is one hangup I have with making music. Like, is the point to make music for others to listen to? If I have 100 of my songs on an old hard drive, thats not really benefitting me…or anyone. I like to put them on bandcamp. But idk, then I want to show people, and they probably won’t like it…ugh. I enjoy making music and im good at it but for what purpose. There’s also an album released every minute of every day, so why even try.

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      No, the point of making music is for the maker to create sounds that move them.

      Make what want, release them if you like. If you’re not forcing people to listen, then there’s no problem.

  • CallMeAnAI@lemmy.world
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    This is ladyB screeching about the fantasy hell scape she’s made up in her mind. I honestly can’t recall a single person irl thinking like this. It’s certainly not common.

    The digital equivalent to your partner being pissed off at a dream they had about you

    Nobody is giving you a report card on dancing.

    • rhymeswithduck@sh.itjust.works
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      1 month ago

      My mom: “Why did you have to quit dance lessons as a child? Didn’t you know you were supposed to become a famous dancer pianist doctor who also sings and sells paintings on the side!?!? How could you do this to meeeeeeee???”