Hm. I trust China with this more than Musk, but still not quite sure what to think of it. This is not a tech that can coexist with capitalism (China not a problem, but other countries importing or copying it) without the absolute worst outcomes.
still I’m not sticking one in my head until it’s completely open source(software and hardware schematics)and can run openBSD on it(and have a seizure everytime I encounter a driver issue lol)
As far as I understand, the managed capitalism is for interacting with the predominantly capitalist world. My hope is that it withers away once revolution across the world finally happens.
We all hope for this but the reality of the situation is that this is not guaranteed or even necessarily likely to happen. In the short term things are looking pretty hopeful, especially cause the US isn’t capable of managing its own decline, so the PRC is gonna be allowed to stand on its own. I hope humanity can navigate that without ww3 popping off, and it’s looking 50-50 on that right now (if I’m in a good mood).
That is the stated intentional and goals of the party. I we will have to see how the government after thsinoen plays out but ai am currently optimistic and trusting of it’s progress
Honestly yeah this is kind of a game over for the hopes of revolution type tech if taken far enough in terms of interfacing with things like memory if they have enough time for mass deployment. You could instantly detect anti-capitalist thought and report it or detonate the chip, perhaps even program and indoctrinate people repeatedly depriving them of free will. If it gets to the point the capitalists can do that we’re fucked, it’s just over for us. That plus AI plus automation and robotics is a bad mix. Under socialism it would of course be amazing and to great benefit but I deeply fear what happens if this tech gets advanced enough to more than read but also write which seems inevitable. At that point they just pressure the population into them, especially those most likely to revolt while allowing top white collar workers to opt out for the time being.
I don’t know, no good answer, if China doesn’t do this work someone else will but I almost think it’s the type of thing that should be done in absolute secret by security vetted individuals. There’s no way the west allows Chinese brain chips anywhere near us so we’ll never see the benefit anyways.
I don’t think there’s any reason to be concerned about anything like this. The brain is so incredibly complex, not to mention that we don’t even have any concrete notion of what a “thought” even is physically, let alone what memories are, etc.
I just worry that sometimes leftists resort to a sort of contrarianism when it comes to anything AI/tech. It’s definitely one of the trickiest domains to navigate imo, especially when you have authoritative sources pretending like a human-computer brain interface (whose performance is indistinguishable from a computer) is a foregone conclusion
I break down when I see/hear people repeating the same shit as a truth despite any evidence, because I always learned that was an example of a delusion. Seems like we’re dealing with a shade of that on a societal level
Keep in mind that “professors at Stanford” still have to get grant money, and they can’t get it by saying “we have no fucking clue how any of this works.” They need to say “we’re on the verge of a breakthrough, so give us money!” Like they’ve been saying for the past 50+ years. And the pop science reporting certainly doesn’t help matters, because it is often written by either techbros with dollar signs in their eyes or overworked science journalists who need to write a dozen articles by the end of the week and don’t have time to actually make sure they’re reporting things factually and in a way that isn’t going to give the wrong impression to laypeople.
Good point tbh, super hard to separate the what from the chaff in academia, especially when you learn it’s like everything else in existence (multiple sides with one of those being ideologically libertarian)
Hm. I trust China with this more than Musk, but still not quite sure what to think of it. This is not a tech that can coexist with capitalism (China not a problem, but other countries importing or copying it) without the absolute worst outcomes.
still I’m not sticking one in my head until it’s completely open source(software and hardware schematics)and can run openBSD on it(and have a seizure everytime I encounter a driver issue lol)
Oh absolutely. I’m not putting proprietary tech in my head. (Says the gal who takes proprietary psychiatric meds…)
I don’t excuse China, it can still be a problem. Managed capitalism, even if well managed, is playing with fire and still dangerous.
As far as I understand, the managed capitalism is for interacting with the predominantly capitalist world. My hope is that it withers away once revolution across the world finally happens.
We all hope for this but the reality of the situation is that this is not guaranteed or even necessarily likely to happen. In the short term things are looking pretty hopeful, especially cause the US isn’t capable of managing its own decline, so the PRC is gonna be allowed to stand on its own. I hope humanity can navigate that without ww3 popping off, and it’s looking 50-50 on that right now (if I’m in a good mood).
That is the stated intentional and goals of the party. I we will have to see how the government after thsinoen plays out but ai am currently optimistic and trusting of it’s progress
Fire is a useful tool. They seem to be able to handle it well.
I hope they continue to do so, to all I can do is observe and learn from whatever happens
Honestly yeah this is kind of a game over for the hopes of revolution type tech if taken far enough in terms of interfacing with things like memory if they have enough time for mass deployment. You could instantly detect anti-capitalist thought and report it or detonate the chip, perhaps even program and indoctrinate people repeatedly depriving them of free will. If it gets to the point the capitalists can do that we’re fucked, it’s just over for us. That plus AI plus automation and robotics is a bad mix. Under socialism it would of course be amazing and to great benefit but I deeply fear what happens if this tech gets advanced enough to more than read but also write which seems inevitable. At that point they just pressure the population into them, especially those most likely to revolt while allowing top white collar workers to opt out for the time being.
I don’t know, no good answer, if China doesn’t do this work someone else will but I almost think it’s the type of thing that should be done in absolute secret by security vetted individuals. There’s no way the west allows Chinese brain chips anywhere near us so we’ll never see the benefit anyways.
I don’t think there’s any reason to be concerned about anything like this. The brain is so incredibly complex, not to mention that we don’t even have any concrete notion of what a “thought” even is physically, let alone what memories are, etc.
I just worry that sometimes leftists resort to a sort of contrarianism when it comes to anything AI/tech. It’s definitely one of the trickiest domains to navigate imo, especially when you have authoritative sources pretending like a human-computer brain interface (whose performance is indistinguishable from a computer) is a foregone conclusion
I break down when I see/hear people repeating the same shit as a truth despite any evidence, because I always learned that was an example of a delusion. Seems like we’re dealing with a shade of that on a societal level
Keep in mind that “professors at Stanford” still have to get grant money, and they can’t get it by saying “we have no fucking clue how any of this works.” They need to say “we’re on the verge of a breakthrough, so give us money!” Like they’ve been saying for the past 50+ years. And the pop science reporting certainly doesn’t help matters, because it is often written by either techbros with dollar signs in their eyes or overworked science journalists who need to write a dozen articles by the end of the week and don’t have time to actually make sure they’re reporting things factually and in a way that isn’t going to give the wrong impression to laypeople.
Good point tbh, super hard to separate the what from the chaff in academia, especially when you learn it’s like everything else in existence (multiple sides with one of those being ideologically libertarian)