transcription: we dont donate to the bigot bucket
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I’m starting to get a bit done with moralizing though. Not like they are present in my country as far as I know, but if someone gets to sleep in a house instead of the street in the winter at the price of homophobia still existing and maybe someone in that same house being homophobic I’m not going to pretend that something despicable has just happened.
Sure in a good world we don’t need a charity doing such an important job to be bigoted but it’s not like the meme says who to donate to instead.
They refuse to let overtly LGBTQ people stay and demand that gay men break up with their boyfriends by policy. People have frozen to death outside their centers after being denied entry or being kicked out for being LGBTQ as a result of their bigoted policies.
Homeless shelters are usually locally run, and I’m sure your local Food Pantry or something would appreciate a donation (especially this time of the year), but if you want to help LGBTQ people worldwide, you could do worse than donating here: https://www.thetrevorproject.org/
there’s other shelters that salvation army actively antagonizes and lobbies against so they can have a monopoly on coercing the homeless into swearing to be devout to the salvation army’s christofascist views.
I hate hearing that annoying bell in front of every store.
When I was homeless, I stayed at a Salvation Army shelter. They knew I was trans and that my legal gender is male, but they put me in the women and families area. I never got misgendered or disrespected while I was there.
gonna be honest, as difficult as it is to find housing for single men in need, they probably did you a favor.
That is, last I checked, against policy. Someone decided personally to have a little mutiny and not be a dick.
It seemed like everyone knew and was cool about it. I was on a first name basis with all the staff and residents. I had to go to the front office every night to get my HRT for the first few weeks until I saw a doctor and got a note that says I can take my own medication. I never had a problem getting my estrogen pills. And at one point a crazy guy developed a harmless obsession with me and kept bugging the staff about seeing me. They told him he’s not allowed in the women’s and families area and he just has to wait until I come to the mess hall for lunch or dinner. He wanted my help finding aliens or something, the point is all the staff knew where I was and that I was supposed to be there because I’m a girl
I looked it up
https://www.salvationarmy.org.au/about-us/inclusion/
https://others.org.au/news/2023/02/07/salvos-show-their-support-at-melbourne-pride-march/
They said they’re sorry and they’re trying to do better, and I think they are doing better
Interesting. Their US site has absolutely no mention of LGBTQ+ that I can find. I wonder if the Australian version has some autonomy.
Considering the state of the States, I wouldn’t be surprised if those policies were removed in the recent times.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there was a Trump “truth” that threatened them.
Thats not the only problem with them. A lot of times local branches will allow their bell-ringers to skim a little out of the donation bucket. Or more than a little. I can’t get behind an organization that doesn’t punish stealing charitable donations for yourself.
Remember that the Salvation Army behaves differently depending on the nation they’re in. The US Salvation Army has different policies to the British one, which has different policies to the Australian one.
Weird, yep, looks like they’re just different flavors of bigot bucket and you should find a better organization.
Help is help
Better than being on the streets
Here in the SF Bay Area, most of the malls and stores don’t allow the Salvation Army or the Hari Krishnas or any group to solicit. I don’t even recall a Girl Scout Troupe selling cookies. I still keep the “Don’t donate” Vouchers in my wallet just in case I run across a bell ringer in front of a Chick-Fil-A or Hobby Lobby that somehow got approved by the local planning commission.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ec/23/23/ec23236932789ab99222c7df093eefdd.jpg
Refusing to donate to the salvation army and then going to hobby lobby or chik fil a is pretty wild
Those stores are also located in strip mall areas with other stores, they could just be walking by.
In my expirence they are also commonly stand alone. Especially the chil fil a
So we need answers
You can also see them as you drive by, you don’t have to crusade against everyone
i think they were just trying to give examples of shitty places that allow SA solicitors
But make eye contact and acknowledge the slave’s presence.
This isn’t hyperbole btw. The salvation army literally uses these people as slaves.
How are they slaves?? I had assumed they were volunteers…
Court ordered community service most likely. But also people just looking for help are sent out to do this.
I know a destitute man in his 70s who rings bells for them who makes minimum wage for standing out in the cold collecting donations. I’m sure he would have no problem with the money supporting a bigoted organization. So at least some of the bellringers are compensated for their labor.
They pay minimum wage which is less than half of what it takes to live in this community. Definitely slave wages. A local deaf guy did it for years because he had a hard time finding work, then they hired his EX and decided he was no longer a good fit. Not exactly a good employer.
I’m on the side of the homeless dude. I’m curious, am I wrong?
There are never any good guys per se, but I definitely was partial to the deaf guy because I knew him personally. I thought it was cruel to fire him when he had been doing it for over a decade even if they paid him a shit wage. It was still all he had.
I’ve written my grocery store asking them to remove the bigot bucket
It didn’t help
Context?
Around December in the US, the Salvation Army(A Christian group with a bigoted history and overpriced secondhand goods stores) set up outside stores, ringing hand bells and asking for donations.
They’re everywhere that allow them. You cannot escape the ringing bells.
The Salvation Army has, throughout it’s history, stuck with the anti-gay stance of it’s Christian roots, and for some reason everybody remembered that this season.
they, additionally, are against labor unions and secular soup kitchens. they claim to want to help people, but they won’t help people unless it feeds their savior complex and control over congregation.
the funny part to me is that jesus reads as an anti-authoritarian. he preaches that it is better to help the hungry than to be dogmatic about orthodoxy. makes the salvation army seem pretty unchristian
Most years people keep forgetting. There’s a lot going on these days, it’s easy to lose track.
The salvation army is a big church and big churches don’t like LGBT. They are typically out in force this time of year with the red buckets in front of a lot of big box stores in the US.
The salvation army is a big church and big churches don’t like LGBT.
There are similarly big churches to the Salvation Army that are inclusive of LGBTQ+, please don’t spread misinformation.
even if there are small examples of judeo-christian denominations being tolerant of LGBTQ+ communities, the VAST majority are not and do more than enough harm to cancel out any good being done.
i think the claim that big churches tend to be homophobic is a valid statement.
white American Christians are a scary bunch.
It’s untrue as a generalization.
I’m a gay person who has been exposed first-hand to the ugly side of Christianity, so I am speaking from that knowing and experience. I am not a Christian.
the statement “all big churches are homophobic” would be a generalisation. “most big churches are homophobic” would not be.
In winter the organization Salvation Army will have people stand in public ringing bells to collect donations in buckets as pictured above.
The salvation army is notably homophobic
In addition to what other people have chimed in, the Salvation Army used to (might still? Last article was in 2014) not pay female workers directly. They would make out their paycheck to the worker’s husband. Because women are property.
I’ve personally been affected by Salvation Army practices. See, they used to deliver toys to disadvantaged kids around the holidays but those toys come with strings. Not only did they show up to my house when my parents were clearly not home they literally dangled toys in front of me and my siblings I was babysitting and refused to give them to us unless we said we would accept Jesus.
We were not a Christian family. In fact at the time most of us were part of a different religion (my dad was always agnostic). They cornered a gaggle of known non-Christian minors when they were alone and vulnerable. They manipulated and forced me to say I accepted Jesus so that my siblings could have presents.
Fuck the Salvation Army.
