cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/29035971

Posting here for preservation’s sake

Image in removed comment was the attached Palpatine image. Curious to see if the same admin mod would remove these screenshots if I crosspost them to !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which they also admin and mod. Would I get a fair trial there or will my dissenting and others’ be silenced?

You can’t say you’re against disinfo if you’re knowing and intentionally promulgating it and abetting its usage. They also didn’t even remove the Reddit watermark.

This is why I don’t assign identities unto myself, because you criticize one action done wrong by leaders of an ideology or movement and bam! you’re shut out of it completely. They’ve lost the aid of an ally and progress is impeded by being shorted a participant trying to correct the course.

  • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    8 months ago

    This is a copyleft, pro genAI instance. We don’t even agree that copyright or intellectual property is moral, let alone the argument tat keeps popping up that it’s “stealing”. Once you release an idea to the world, it becomes part of the human condition. It doesn’t belong to you, and saying you “own” something that’s a part of another person’s consciousness is akin to saying slavery is acceptable.

    There are plenty of safe spaces for that neoliberal capitalist bullshit, but on an anarchist instance is not it. They deserved it, and I think it should be made into an instance-wide rule that anti-AI conversation be banned for being in direct contradictions to our morals and political philosophy, with repeat violators being banned.

    • Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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      8 months ago

      I agreed until you got to the point that anti-AI conversation should be banned. And because I agreed up to that point, I think I joined the wrong instance. I could go along with y’all being pro-AI because im not inherently against it, just cautious as a person, knowing people abuse any kind of power far too often. And, I dont have to use AI in my life while still having anarchist beliefs. It’s a choice, so long as you hold no power and do no damage to others with your tools . . Banning conversation is holding power and using it against others, which is inherently not anarchy.

      I guess the Anarchism I grew up with has changed. Bummer to hear.

      Edit to add, I’m really tired of labels, I’m tired of having to put myself in a box for social media to digest.

      • flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        8 months ago

        Edit: I guess we’re going to be voting on allowing people to bitch about generative AI soon. I’m pretty torn on it, because I am so tired of people bitching ceaselessly on this topic, but also… Censorship is lame.

          • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            8 months ago

            Not even that, just certain communities here which allow AI. They could make an anti-AI community here if it follows all of dbzer0’s rules, is good faith and doesn’t encourage trolling or aggression towards others.

    • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      8 months ago

      Those aren’t the only reasons to dislike AI. So, claiming that any argument against AI is inherently neoloberal capitalist is ignorant and childish.

      • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        8 months ago

        Even were that true, which is isn’t, this is our instance, to run as we see fit. It isn’t up to right-wing liberals to decide how an anarchist collective runs their own space. If you don’t like genAI, so somewhere else and don’t post your cultist brigading bullshit here. You sure as fuck don’t see us going to .world and harassing you lot over AI, do you?

        So what, the respect we show you is too fucking much to return?

        • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          8 months ago

          I see. So your method of arguing is to label anyone whom you disagree with as “right-wing liberals” and you don’t intend on having a genuine conversation.

          • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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            8 months ago

            no, my method of arguing is to label liberals who espouse right-wing capitalist ideals as right-wing liberals. if you don’t like being called right-wing, don’t fucking pander to corporate bullshit in a LEFTIST INSTANCE. it’s really not rocket science, guys.

            • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              8 months ago

              Then you must first explain how all arguments against AI are right-wing capitalist ideals. Which you have not done that, so the way you are acting is preposterous.

              • Unruffled [they/them]@lemmy.dbzer0.comM
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                8 months ago
                1. Being anti-AI is an intrinsically reactionary position to hold.
                2. Leftists should be trying to seize the means of production, not trying to destroy them.
                3. The anti-AI movement puts heavy emphasis on the impact on artists, but most leftists don’t believe in copyright or the ownership/privatization of ideas and that includes things like art. Artists absolutely should be publicly funded and properly compensated for their work. But simply fighting against AI tooling will accomplish nothing, and arguably serves to perpetuates copyright rent-seeking by corporations and individuals.
                4. Fighting against or banning the use of AI tools in leftist spaces will accomplish nothing, except to give the capitalists an advantage over leftists. The genie is already out of the bottle. AI tooling, although incredibly annoying in some aspects (such as when it gets inserted into fucking notepad) is also extremely powerful and useful for certain applications. Why would we want to fight with a hand tied behind our backs over some romantic idyll of pre-gen AI times?
                5. A hammer can be a tool or a weapon. Same with AI. Nobody is talking about banning hammers, despite the fact they are often used as weapons or for nefarious purposes.
                6. The anti-AI movement is primitivist and regressive in nature. It hearkens back to the “good old days” when artists were well compensated by rich patrons, and artisans and skilled craftsmen filled every small town. It’s a fantasy that never really existed, and one that will never exist under capitalism.
                7. FOSS AI projects are available such as Db0’s AI Horde which seeks to democratic access to GenAI. There is no requirement to use corporate tooling.
                • go $fsck yourself@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  8 months ago
                  1. That’s an opinion, not a fact. And while I agree that in many circumstances there are plenty of reactionary responses, it does not get anywhere close to 100%.
                  2. Irrelevant to the point.
                  3. You’re conflating an “anti-AI movement” with just not liking AI.
                  4. I never made any claims about banning AI or even fighting against it, really. Not sure why you’re ascribing that to me, and it doesn’t provide any argument to the main claim that “disliking AI is always from right-wing capitalism”.
                  5. While I get your overall point here and mostly agree that AI is ‘just a tool’, the rest of your point is based on banning, which is not part of the discussion. Also, it’s a pretty false equivalent argument, but I assume you’re not expecting it to be a 1:1 comparison, just trying to make the point that it’s just a tool and should not be labeled as inherently bad.
                  6. Once again, you’re conflating an “anti-AI movement” with just not liking AI. I don’t know if there’ some big coordinated “anti-AI movement” that makes that argument in particular and I’ve somehow never heard of it or seen any evidence of, but it seems to me you’ve created a fake, absurd strawman.
                  7. That’s great and helps obviate one of my main issues with AI.

                  In total, you’ve made zero arguments for the logic that any sentiment of disliking AI should be met with hostility and all comes from a source of “right-wing liberals”. All I see is unfounded attempts of vilifying people who simply disagree with you by shoving a label onto them. Another way to describe this is “bad-jacketing”.

                  I suggest you read about “bad-jacketing”. Particularly as a moderator and that it is described in rule 1 of the instance.

                  I will now disengage because I have ample evidence that you and _cryptagion don’t intend on a genuine interaction.

                  • Mystic Mushroom [Ze/Zir]@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                    01·
                    8 months ago

                    You’re conflating an “anti-AI movement” with just not liking AI.

                    @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com is literally an admin, they have access to voter and user metric data that you don’t. Who are you to claim there isn’t brigading or a movement going on? That’s right you don’t and can’t actually know better than they do. If I didn’t know better I might think you were trying to deny this issue due to your part in it.