cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/2362831
I don’t know how extended this is, but apparently there are car makers selling cars with no keys. Instead you download a proprietary app and use it to access your car.
I like being practical and talking to a car to turn the volume up or down, to open the door or to turn the temperature higher are things I don’t need nor want. Give me mechanical levers, reachable stalks and no proprietary bloatware. I don’t need a movie theater on wheels.
Imagine an early 2000s car running on an electric motor. That’s what I want.
yo SAAAAAAAAAAAME
and also actual fucking buttons switches knobs and dials for HVAC and media control
not to mention a normal fucking PRNDL shifter for selecting how I want it to move
why is this so gods damned much to ask for -_-Kia and Hyundai EVs tend to have physical controls for most things
What’s a PRNDL?
Park, Reverse, Neutral, Drive, Low (gear). The 5 “standard” positions the standard automatic gearshift levers could be set to. Versus the weird stuff like dials or push-buttons that are incredibly hard to operate by muscle-memory if you aren’t looking right at them.
EVs have no gears, they don’t need this stuff. Or they have a manual simulation.
EVs have no gears
GOOD THING THESE AREN’T GEARS THEN, FUCKO
THEY’RE MODE SELECTIONSEVs do, in fact, Park.
EVs can, in fact, Reverse.
EVs must, in fact, need to be capable of rolling free (Neutral) and it would be BETTER if you could do that by disconnecting the drive train to eliminate the risk of the “regenerative braking” system overloading its electrical system and making the battery explode.
EVs furthermore OBVIOUSLY Drive.“Low” in the traditional sense is clearly not necessary, obviously, but it could be nice to have a mode selection for what people have sometimes described as “single pedal driving” where regeneration is configured so aggressively that letting up on the accelerator pedal will cause the car to decelerate rapidly without the need to touch the brake pedal.
Just gotta say I’m here for this energy
It seems to me that you don’t understand how EVs work. They don’t have gears (usually) and they don’t have a constantly running combustion engine.
Neutral and park (park is just neutral with a break automatically applied) do not exist in EVs, because EVs don’t have a constantly running engine. You only need neutral to disengage the clutch to prevent its wear during stops, because always running engine means that the car is always moving. That’s not happening in EVs.
And you don’t need low/boost because EVs don’t have gears.
So, you only have reverse and drive.
Huh, my EV also has neutral and park. It can be very useful to yet the wheels freewheel or to lock the wheels. However no PRNDL shifter control for usability
You can’t freewheel on EV, there’s no mechanism for that. You can have a software simulation though, but it’s not needed for anything.
GN has some “regular car” EV options available. The Bolt EUV and the Equniox EV start at $27k and $35k USD. Both come with a panel of physical buttons and come with a traditional physical metal key.
Bolt:
Equinox:
The Bolt EUV is as close as you’ll get with new vehicles as far as I know in North America.
You can find a Nissan Leaf, they started production in 2010. But from what I heard the batteries degrade quickly due to how they were designed.
The last Bolt model year was 2023 - you can’t really find new ones at dealer lots anymore. There is supposed to be a new version coming at some point, but no official details or timeframe yet.
The Leaf is being redesigned to finally modernize it. The new one coming out later this year should be better now.
Dacia Spring is literally 2000 car converted to EV. I love it.
the latest Citroën e-c3 is super-stripped. physical key, no frills at all. the range also takes a hit to keep costs down though.
I hate the mentality of “people who don’t want premium features just can’t afford them”. No bro we don’t want them because they suck.
At least in the US, You will struggle to find a car newer than like 2015 that doesn’t have a screen, and it’s basically impossible to find one newer than 2018 because it’s mandated at the federal level to have a backup camera installed.
you may not find full on infotainment system, there will be some sort of screen involved. But many manufacturers go by the methodology that if they’re installing a screen anyway for backup cam they might as well just go the whole nine yards and have it be a full-on infotainment system
Sadly I don’t have any recommendations, but I’m considering taking this plunge as well so I’ll keep my eye out on this thread
One of the reasons is that in i think 2018, they made backup cameras mandatory.
EDIT: 2018 NOT 2016
I’m unclear if you’re the reason Pika has an edit to their post, or if you just missed the fact that they said that. Although they said 2018, you said 2016.
I edited a few times within the first few minutes of posting it, so it’s also possible that it didn’t Federate the changes, but no I haven’t edited it since the first five ish minutes of the post
Go test drive some cars that aren’t Teslas. None of them require phone apps. Pretty sure all the manufacturers are also walking back the touch screen nonsense and I think Kia is the best in the US right now for EVs with physical buttons.
Does it have microphones, other surveillance sensors, and internet access?
Because if this baby is airgapped, I’m buying.
What car maker is not providing keys? As far as I know, app control is optional.
Many car “keys” are wireless tokens nowadays (tbf I’m not sure of the security compared to traditional keys, I only heard some brands like Kias were very easy to steal in the last few years).
Mostly we want a million buttons with tactile feedback, I’m with OP! I would also like an EV “econobox”: a sensible shitty boxy lightweight car with a small LiFePo4 battery that charges fast. Spend 100$ more dollars on the charger and cooling goddammit, or make THAT upgradable!
Not only that but make it cheaper and give me the option of power windows or not. I can crank my own windows up and down, I don’t need it “motorized”. Let’s make cars available to the masses again.
The reason there aren’t anymore crank windows isn’t because it’s a mandatory upsell, it’s because motorized is probably as cheap or even cheaper thanks to modern manufacturing and the preference of 99% of other people.
Depending on the car, you might be able to just rip the modem out of it and so you just use your key fob to enter. Essentially making it a dumb car
EV Conversion Kits is probably your best bet.
I would like to know more.
The profit margins on cheap cars isn’t high enough yet to introduce EVs at that price.
Closest you can probably get is the Corolla hybrid base model. It’s not full EV and sadly isn’t even a plugin hybrid.
The profit margins on cheap cars isn’t high enough yet to introduce EVs at that price.
What price? OP does not talk about cost at any point, they only require specific features.
