IDF: Whoops, tee hee.

  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    4
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    3 months ago

    i think they killed like, 12 people, and injured somewhere between 1-2 thousand more, probably some civilians in there, but these are military pagers to my knowledge so it’d be weird for it to hurt a bunch of random people, but it’s possible.

    if you include the radio attack i think it’s like another 40 dead, and like 500 injured? Don’t quote me on it.

    • sudo@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      3 months ago

      Hezbollah was using commercial grade pagers because they’re a militia. The purpose of pagers are to contact them when their off duty. Many of these pagers blew up in homes, grocery stores, and other public places. Many civilians were killed and most people injured were bystanders.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        3 months ago

        from what i can recall, and from the stats i’ve seen, these “explosions” seem more like “really bad pocket fires” more than anything to me, i could see it injuring people. Maybe two or three standing immediately nearby other people.

        But considering this attack has only like 12 confirmed dead civilians or something, “many” seems a little excessive. I could see a few hundred getting injured though. Possibly a few cars/homes burning down. That might cause a few more.

        ok so, did a bit of a check here, 12 civilians died. That’s where that number came from. 40 people died total, i think. At least that’s what wikipedia tells me. I don’t think it ever mentions how many civilians were injured directly, but assuming it follows the deaths, it’s somewhere between probably 500 and 1000 i would guess.

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          3 months ago

          from what i can recall, and from the stats i’ve seen,

          From what you can recall? I’m sorry, but I watched some of those videos, and I will not forget them. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to just be shopping in a supermarket when the person next to you has their legs suddenly blown off 3 feet from you.

          It’s terrorism, plain and simple.

          only 12 civilians

          Yeah dude. “Only.”’ You’re right though, I guess Israel really has raised the bar when it comes to indiscriminate murder of civilians. Those are rookie numbers.

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            3 months ago

            From what you can recall? I’m sorry, but I watched some of those videos, and I will not forget them. I cannot imagine what it must have been like to just be shopping in a supermarket when the person next to you has their legs suddenly blown off 3 feet from you.

            this is relatively recent, and i barely care about the IP conflict at large, let alone some millitia in fucking lebanon. All i know is that pagers fucking exploded lmao.

            As for the videos, i haven’t watched them, for what i feel like should be pretty obvious reasons. I don’t just watch gore content for fun or anything. I’m not a military analyst or claiming to be one lol. I’m just some dude on the internet who thinks exploding pagers is a rather odd way to go about things, although theoretically practical (as seen by the fact that they did it)

            It’s terrorism, plain and simple.

            maybe, again i know nothing about hezbollah, less about their goals, and even less about what their role in this conflict has been, other than a relatively minor altercation in some of the recent events.

            Yeah dude. “Only.”’ You’re right though, I guess Israel really has raised the bar when it comes to indiscriminate murder of civilians. Those are rookie numbers.

            how would you prefer i format it lmao? It’s the fucking english language, it’s semantically correct and provides all the needed context, 12 civilians died in this attack, that’s it. No more, no less, plain and simple. Especially compared to the sheer amounts of injured people, presumably including a lot of civilians, this would be EVEN more appropriate.

            Also, there have been single mass shootings that have killed more people. There have most certainly been thousands of accidents (think infra related, cars, trains, etc) that have killed more people, and almost definitely, many many more individual accidental deaths.

            12 people is not a whole lot in the total grand scheme of how many people die for reasons that shouldn’t really happen in the first place, it’s a lot of people that die every year. Also yeah wouldn’t these literally be rookie numbers? Seems a bit redundant to me.

            • daltotron@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              3 months ago

              this is relatively recent, and i barely care about the IP conflict at large, let alone some millitia in fucking lebanon. All i know is that pagers fucking exploded lmao.

              why are you deciding to weigh in on a topic that you’re not invested in and don’t even claim to know anything about?

          • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            arrow-down
            2
            ·
            3 months ago

            Yeah dude. “Only.”’ You’re right though, I guess Israel really has raised the bar when it comes to indiscriminate murder of civilians. Those are rookie numbers.

            When your enemy disperses themselves among the civilian population?

            This killed way less civilians than a traditional bombing that would have got the same Hezbollah fighters would have.

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              edit-2
              3 months ago

              When your enemy disperses themselves among the civilian population?

              Obviously, bomb the grocery stores and the shopping malls, then blame the people you were targeting for the collateral murder.

              FFS, I’m old enough to remember when Obama drone striking a teenage boy was considered at least mildly controversial for liberals. Now cluster bombing a flea market is the new gold standard for Ethical Warfare.

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                3 months ago

                Now cluster bombing a flea market is the new gold standard for Ethical Warfare.

                so technically, and semantically, it’s not cluster bombing, it’s a highly distributed form of micro bombing. Similar to the idea of “incendiary explosive laden bats” in ww2, and various other crackhead ideas the US military cooked up.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_bomb

            • ad_on_is@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              3 months ago

              It’s funny how Israel made it a “normal” thing, to use firearms and explosives around civilians for the purpose of getting rid of, what they call, bad guys.

              Imagine mass-shooting in a public school where a kid tries to hunt down other kids who bullied him for the past few years. Oh wait…

              • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                arrow-down
                1
                ·
                edit-2
                3 months ago

                It’s funny how Israel made it a “normal” thing, to use firearms and explosives around civilians for the purpose of getting rid of, what they call, bad guys.

                i don’t think they did normalize it though, russia has been indiscriminately hitting civilian places with artillery shells since the beginning of the invasion.

                the soviet union has an even more aggressive history of this, scorched earth policies and such, which are almost definitely very old.

                Imagine mass-shooting in a public school where a kid tries to hunt down other kids who bullied him for the past few years. Oh wait…

                yet another example, except i don’t even have to make the point myself!

                in fact, i would argue the concept of minimizing human losses in war is a relatively recent advancement in social theory. That hasn’t exactly been a regular consideration throughout most of history, afaik.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        Hezbollah is a political party with 18 parliamentary seats and thousands of public service workers on their payroll.

        Saying these were “fighters” is akin to bombing an UNRWA center and claiming you killed 31 Hamas Terrorists.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          3 months ago

          so then why did they have pagers? I thought the pagers were specifically for millitant orders, or is the whole political party communicating in private via one way pagers?

          i feel like if this were public service, this would be in confidence, in a building for example, rather than like this.

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      3 months ago

      these are military pagers

      They were a shipment for general consumption that went to a dealer near the Iranian embassy.

      The target was the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, and virtually everyone else was just collateral damage.

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        3 months ago

        They were a shipment for general consumption that went to a dealer near the Iranian embassy.

        yeah, that’s generally how products work. Even in the US military the government just walks up to a company and goes "can you make this? And if they say yes they pay them money, or times of war just go “hey i need you to make this”

        the only difference here is that it’s not quite a formally established military, so it’s using off the shelf components and products, which is pretty common for these smaller groups.

        although depending on the dealer, that dealer may have been the source of intrusion, so there’s that.

        The target was the Iranian ambassador to Lebanon, and virtually everyone else was just collateral damage.

        targeting one specific guy through the most broad means possible seems, weird. I doubt this was a highly specific attack. It would be a very, very odd way to do it, but then again this conflict has been nothing but odd, so i can’t really put it past them lol.

        Regardless, i doubt they solely intended to target that one guy. While everyone else is technically collateral, it’s probably considered to be beneficial to the cause. At least by israel.