I keep basically all of my shit on Gitlab, so depending on who they sell it to, that might be a goodbye. I’ve really enjoyed the platform, but if it goes into hands of either some clueless business people, data aggregator, or “AI-first” bullshit, i’m migrating to something else.
That’s exactly what is going to happen. There would be no other incentive for companies to buy it.
I can’t think of a single reason that wouldn’t happen.
There would be no other incentive for companies to buy it.
A company might want to extend it’s service offering with a build pipeline/CICD system, and buying GitLab would get them the best-in-class service.
Microsoft bought GitHub for much of the same reasons, and GitHub didn’t went to hell after the acquisition.
considering all GitHub projects (including private ones that didn’t explicitly opt out) were used for training AI. GitHub absolutely went to hell after the acquisition. I would never use GitHub for this and many other reasons, and I will never again use GitLab if the same thing happens to it.
? Nothing about such private repo access listed there.
Every open source license grants permission for AI training, and GitHub copilot by default rejects completions that exactly match code from its training. You can’t pretend to be pro-open source or pro-free software but at the same time be upset that people are using licensed software within its license terms.
If you use agplv3 for training your LLC, shouldn’t the code you spit out also be agplv3?
Only if you can reasonably argue that the output is the input (even with exact matches over a certain size being auto-rejected), and that it is enough to qualify as a copyrightable work. I’d argue line completions can never be enough to be copyrightable, and even a short function barely meets the bar unless it is considered creative in some way.
Not all projects on GitHub use the same open source license. I don’t have a problem with scraping on projects that allow it. I have a problem with scraping on the ones that don’t.
If a license forbids LLM training, it is by definition not open source.
So many errors in what you’ve written aren’t with the fact that one can INSTALL a copy of gitlab and get the CI/CD features, but actually with simple English.
I’m in the same boat. I migrated all my stuff to Gitlab the day it was announced that Github was being acquired by Microsoft. I hadn’t even really heard of Codeberg at the time. So I migrated to Gitlab.
And it sounds now like there’s a high likelikhood I’ll need to move it all again.
I hadn’t even really heard of Codeberg at the time.
That would explain it.
I’ve had my stuff on Gitlab way before that ever even happened, just because I’ve already had issues with the platform before, and knew it would eventually change hands. Shame it’ll likely happen again with this too
Come to Codeberg! I’m a member of the co-op and we’re not for sale.
I’ve been casually taking a look at it for a bit, so it’s definitely on the radar
Edit: Overall i’m happy, at first proper glance, but not having access to even barebones CI is kind of a pain. I can’t really deploy my own at the moment, and having to request access to their own Woodpecker instance is something that seems unlikely to be approved
Codeberg is where I will be next. A nonprofit ownership created because they didn’t like the commercialization of other providers that’s getting more and more popular. Seems like they likely won’t go down this rabbit hole.
You shouldn’t wait because it’s going to happen. I moved all of my projects off of Github and Gitlab, and now self-hosting my own gitea instance. It’s been great and never looked back!
Btw gitea has been involved in some shit, most of the Devs quit and created Forgejo. AFAIK you can seamlessly switch from gitea without needing to completely reset it.
Oh wow, I didn’t know that! Is there any official statement? Search didn’t turn up anything. I guess I don’t necessarily need to know exactly how it went down, but I wanna be nosy. :D
come to https://sr.ht/
It’s funny because despite all the fearmongering about Microsoft’s Github acquisition it feels like it only improved since then, while Gitlab has done a shitton of questionable and shitty decisions, a ton of critical security issues and in general feels like (at best) they don’t know what they are doing.
The only thing Gitlab has going for itself is that it’s self-hostable, but they still retain a large amount of control.
Time to federate repos?
I hope they get true federation up running soon.
Absolutely.
I’ll self host my own forgejo instance soon.
It’s also what codeberg uses under the hood for those that don’t self host.
GitLab has been working on support for ActivityPub/ForgeFed federation as well, currently only implemented for releases though.
For code hosting, doesn’t that just mean you’re self-hosting + others can utilize you space for a backup?
I think the benefits of federation is discoverability. I can spin up my gitea or forgejo (or something else!) Instance, but when people look for code in their instances, they can still discover my public repositories, and if they want to contribute, they can fork and open PRs from their instances.
So yeah, it means mostly you can selfhost and provide space to others, but with the same benefits that right now github offers (I.e., everything is there).
No, it means people can contribute issues and pull requests to projects on other servers. Repositories would only be created on the server your account is on if I’m not mistaken. I believe it uses activitypub internally, so should work the same as Lemmy/mastodon.
Yes, it uses ActivityPub with the ForgeFed extension.
Maybe you would be able to disable other users from creating repos.
The chances of a deal are said to be weeks away, if not non-existent.
What kind of non-sentence is that?
It’s an existing sentence if it’s not non-exisent.
Big if true and big.
Seems like a perfectly cromulent English sentence to me.
Looked up “cromulent” in the dictionary. Wasn’t disappointed!!
The fact it’s now in the dictionary proper is bizarre… but I mean… so is “okay.” And that’s almost the same ascended joke.
It’s what they most not the least
The kind of sentence you write when you’re still 20 words from the target your editor set for the article
It means when the author was waiting for his order at Popeyes, the guy in front who did small talk with him introduced himself as a Gitlab employee and told the author “Gitlab might sell in weeks. It is a deal or no deal”
Fuck
You should all incorporate and buy it.
I literally made an account the day before and transferred from GitHub, then wake up and see this. FFS just my luck.
Wait, this is YOUR fault?!! 😋
I feel like sourcehut really ought to be mentioned more. It federates issue and PRs by email and has a wonderful interface while not having any ads—which is why hosting one’s own repo (and their CI and IRC but nothing else) requires $2 a month, unfortunately.
I don’t think it makes any sense to mention source hut because none of the features you mentioned are killer features (or relevant. Why should I care about implementation details of feature tracking?) and it completely fails to address GitLab’s main value proposition: it’s CICD system.
Anyone can put up any ticketing system. They are a dime a dozen. Some version control systems even ship with their own. CICD is a whole different ballgame. It’s very hard to put together a CICD system that’s easy to manage and has a great developer experience. Not even GitHub managed to pull that off. GitLab is perhaps the only one who pulled this off. A yams file with a dozen or so lines is all it takes to get a pipeline that builds, tests, and delivers packages, and it’s easy to read and understand what happens. On top of that, it’s trivial to add your own task runners hosted anywhere in the world, in any way you’d like. GitLab basically solved this problem. That’s why people use it.
I use gitlab ci mainly and dabble in github actions. Can you clarify how “Not even Github managed to pull that off”? IIRC, actions is quite featureful and it’s open-source, so I assume that can be run with self-hosted runners as well.
Yep, at my previous job I moved a pretty complex build system from Jenkins to github actions. It worked fine and was much simpler to maintain.
And yes there are ways to run github actions on your own machine, but I haven’t tried it.
Can you clarify how “Not even Github managed to pull that off”?
GitHub actions has an atrocious user experience, to the point that even a year or so ago people where doubting it was production-ready.
Sure, you can put together a pipeline. But I challenge anyone to try it out with GitHub actions and then just try to do the same with GitLab or even CircleCI or Travis.
The fact that people compare GitHub Actions go Jenkins of all things is everything anyone needs to know about it’s user experience.
Using email for anything is a non-feature for me. I want nothing to do with that outdated, confusing piece of tech that has been shoved in all sorts of places it doesn’t belong
FYI you can self-host GitLab, for example in a Docker container.
Or you could make your life a lot easier and use Forgejo
You can also just make bare got repositories on any server you can ssh into.
make bare got repositories
got it
It’s the worst example, but it’s an example, sure.
Much like that comment. Can you give a better example, or express why it’s a bad example? That would bring some quality in.
Gitlab is very complex and a heavy resource hog. You probably don’t need it. Most small to medium enterprises can comfortably host their projects on lightweight forgejo or gitea (speaking from experience). They even have functionality similar to github actions. If you need anything more complex, you are better off integrating another self hosted external service to the mix.
https://forgejo.org/ here’s a little better example, though you did a great job doing some proposal, gotta love those who do at least some initiative
Forgejo is a gitea fork, it’s got nothing to do with gitlab
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Are they “forks” or are they “built on top of”?
GitLab still doesn’t even support leaving comments on a commit message. Like, what? GitLab and GitHub have all these fancy shiny features but still suck at offering basic code review functionality.
I never understood the appeal.
I mean, I get it, but that’s also not a thing of git, right? Just because GitHub does something doesn’t mean every other hosting provider needs to. If your code review process is to comment upon specific commits, maybe it’s the code review process that’s wrong?
GitHub doesn’t let you comment on the commit message either. The only one I’ve seen do this properly this is Gerrit. And of course regular old mailing list reviews.
There are so many blogs and posts about writing good commit messages, using Conventional Commits, etc, and the two most popular forges don’t even let you comment in-line on the commit message during a review.
Ive been meaning to move to codeberg, self hosted forgejo, or sourcehut so this will only accelerate that if things get worse.
I just flipped my home git to forgejo from gitlab, gitlab just had a bunch of features I wasn’t using, forgejo was easy to setup and it has a nice interface. I’m just using it for source control right now, still probably huge overkill but eh
How did you set it up? I’ve been wanting to setup forgejo in a docker container but wasn’t sure how easy the process is.
I was originally going to to go the docker route but honestly just ended up going the binary route and leaving it using sqlite as it’s good enough for now. It’s pretty well documented and a chunk of the prereqs I already had, like the git user creation.
Did have SSH auth issues though, probably becauae I didn’t fully cleanup after uninstalling gitlab (oops), had them in parallel for a bit to migrate the repos, gitlab had it trying to use gitlab-shell which didn’t exist anymore. Probably a better/proper solution but what worked was changing the git user’s home directory back to /home/git as gitlab had it using a gitlab config directory. I welcome anyone giving me a better/cleaner solution for this, on my to do list to do some more cleanup.
I preemptively moved to codeberg, very nice and pro IMO.
Love me some codeberg.
GitLab is a security nightmare, good luck to whoever purchases that.
Elon has entered the chat…how many labs of this git kind can you make for him within 3 months? Can git be somehow monetized?
Could you elaborate? I use Gitlab bit i’m not a security expert.
Here is the one where I decided to never trust their code: https://arstechnica.com/security/2024/05/0-click-gitlab-hijacking-flaw-under-active-exploit-with-thousands-still-unpatched/
As if that isn’t bad enough, I am pretty sure they have had other incidents.
Fuck. No other source forge supports groups or orgs with hierarchical projects 🫤 Gitea and Forgejo went hard on being github clones, so they’re off the list. Are there any other alternatives? I don’t want to have to bash together scripts to make something…
It’s not a dealbreaker for me but I feel your pain. Getting everything organized in Gitlab is a pleasure.
Don’t worry everyone! It’ll get bought by some investment firm or by a large company (Microsoft [to shutter it], Google, etc) and everything will be just fine.
Right?
sigh
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@obbeel Oh that’s not a good sign
