Mine is fresh highschool graduates getting 2 weeks of training to go work acute, all-male forensic psychiatry. We’re taking criminally insane men who are unsafe to put on a unit with criminally insane women.
…and they would send fresh high school graduates (often girls because hospitals in general tend to be female-dominated) in the yoga pants and club makeup they think are proffessional because they literally have 0 previous work experience to sit suicide watch for criminally insane rapists who said they were suicidal because they knew they would send some 18y/o who doesn’t know any better to sit with them. It went about how you would expect the hundreds of times I watched it happen.
My favorite float technician was the 60 year old guy who was super gassy and looked like an off-season Santa. Everybody hated that guy because they said he was super lazy but he would sit suicide watch all fucking shift without complaining and he almost never failed to dissapoint a sex pest who thought they were gonna get some eye candy (or worse).
What’s your example?
Sheriff is an elected position in the US no experience required.
Bonus answer, president of the United States, we’ve elected two mentally deficient celebrities so far…
There’s stories of small towns hiring sheriff’s which were related to the mayor.
And John Oliver’s dive into Sheriff’s in this Guardian Article: Tremendous amount of authority with low accountability’
Police reform is a uphill battle.
I need 4 years of education and 5+ years of experience to work as an engineer to give people something to look at on their phones.
Police need 6 months of training to make life and death decisions and they get a pension and permanent immunity when they fuck up
Lol 6 months? Where at? Most places I know of it’s 6 weeks.
Here (.nl) it’s a minimum of 3 years for the lowest ranking cops (vocational degree), depending on rank/function there is also a 4 year bachelors degree and a 5 year masters.
Damn that would be nice, we might actually have cops vs bullies with badges.
An educated bully with a badge is still that. Look at how the Police in Amsterdam broke up peaceful protests at universities. You could see them very happy to swing their long hard batons at young women because they need to compensate for something lacking those attributes.
You could see them very happy to swing their long hard batons at young women because they need to compensate for something lacking those attributes.
This would make Freud proud.
Plenty of counties in the US will elect you to Sherriff without any experience at all. Just say the right Tough On Crime rhetoric and you’re good to go.
And here is what you get: Former Clark County Sheriff Hit With More Fraud, Money Laundering Charges
Oh hai, neighbor LOL. YEEUP!
Hey while we’re at it check out what the library executive director and his lackeys have been up to.
Actually, this is Clark County Indiana (not Nevada). But I’m sure there is plenty of corruption to go around.
LOL whoooops. That’ll teach me to actually read links once in a while. But hey, we can be distant neighbors hahaha.
You’re right though, plenty to go around. If we could all root out corruption starting in our own neighborhoods, they’d have nowhere to run. :)
Depends on the level of cop. Our feds are 6mo, math- and psyche-heavy courses, and ruthlessly checked for background.
And, they don’t have immunity. They do a crime, they’ll do a time. Their oversight dept is rough as shit and there’s nowhere to magically transfer to unless ya emigrate.
I don’t consider the feds really cops though, like I know they are but at that point they’re a step above. I’m talking more about your average ticket nanny with a gun.
Parenting.
Are you sure I’m qualified??
I often wish more of my adult psych patients’ parents had done some reading about psychosocial development and how to support the child at each stage but more importantly I pretty much always wish they’d cared half as much as you did to even ask that question.
In some Northern European countries it’s mandatory for parents to attend pre-natal preparation.
There is no requirement that I am aware of for college professors to have any training in the fundamentals of instruction, and it SHOWS.
I aspired to work in education in college and took a lot of courses on adult education and how to teach people. I recognized that my favorite teachers in K-12 used those techniques , while realizing none of it was done at the college level.
I don’t work in education but I find myself using those techniques all the time in the workplace. And there’s a clear difference between my department’s onboarding and capabilities versus others.
I really noticed this once I found myself at the community college. The school liked to market that you were educated by “working professionals with industry experience.” which translated to the school paying them less than their second, full-time job on top of all the stuff about them not knowing how to teach while they were in charge of the grading of 20+ classes per semester. Prior to that in my experience I had only ever come across professors who were incredibly passionate about what they were teaching or alternatively were incredibly passionate about teaching-itself. it was eye-opening in the most frustrating way.
This is kind of backwards in the aviation world: There’s a whole separate certificate for flight instructors which involves training in psychology, lesson planning and all that in addition to stuff like flying the plane from the right seat, spin training and all that. Thing is, it’s often baby’s first aviation job. A lot of flight instructors are freshly minted commercial pilots and their first lesson is their first revenue flight. You don’t get to go fly jets for the charters and airlines without experience, and where do you get experience? flying smaller, less expensive aircraft. What’s the single biggest demand for pilots flying smaller, less expensive aircraft? Flight schools.
The county coroner is an ELECTED position.
I’m a mortician who’s worked substantially with autopsies. To be the county coroner, you do not need a degree, you do not need experience in mortuary science, postmortem science, forensics, pathology, NOTHING. All you need to be the county coroner, is to be popular.
Meanwhile, funeral directors in the USA need to go through years of college and continuing education, because we’re literally the last line of defense when coroners/doctors screw up. I’ve caught dozens of mistakes the coroner has made and I’m sick of it. The most recently was a shaken and bruised baby having cause of death listed as SIDS.
I no longer blindly trust autopsies for accurate cause of death. If the mortician needs 4 years of medical school, the freaking county coroner would should be required for at LEAST that to be elected.
Hey, some places it’s the county Sheriff that’s the coroner… which is also bad.
Sometimes people die in the county jail… and almost every time it’s not needed to perform an autopsy- it’s just natural causes…
The coroner needs to be an impartial medical professional.
I have to admit I often think about sliding into one of these “prestigious but just need to be likeable with no experience” loophole-esque positions…
But instead of acting like I’m “the boss” and pretending to know what I’m talking about while ruining everything, I’d find the best people in the field and make sure I’m listening to them and supporting them in doing their jobs instead.
Just there to keep idiot managers off peoples’ backs and listen to people who actually know what they’re doing.
I imagine that’s “not how it works”…but still.
That’s how it should work.
… That’s disturbing
4 years of medical school and a few years of residency (and maybe fellowship) in pathology. So you’re talking 12 to 16 years of post-high school education because it’s becoming more and more common to have to have a post-bacc or a master’s to get into medical school in the first place.
We have to take additional courses and pass every year, as well as take pandemic response training and mass death psychology/procedure. I even got trained for the ebola outbreak 10 years ago. 2 years of pre-med, 2 years of medical and postmortem science, and a residency which is a minimum of a year, but often longer as it’s based on tasks you have to do. A specified amount of autopsied cases, military cases, decomposition, etc. Then you have to pass your state and LARA exams.
The curriculum included classes for psychology, reconstructive cosmetology, and business law too. I’m a Jill of all trades 😅See, I’m planning on trying to steal your business by going into emergency medicine to be a necromancer. (I have done CPR on people that have actually woken up to complain about it…you cannot convince me that CPR/resuscitation is not necromancy.)
If you want an interesting read, look up cadaveric spasms. I’ve been slapped by a dead body.
It must vary by location. I know I’ve never voted for county coroner. After a little digging, it sounds like my county did away with its elected position over a hundred years ago.
That’s awesome. It’s nice to read that some places are doing away with stupid things.
Sounds like something from the Old Wild West which somehow was never revised.
Lawmakers rarely update laws. Disability(SSI) hasn’t changed since 1974. The medicaid asset limit is $2,000. If you EVER have more than $2k in your bank, you lose your medical insurance and food. You can’t even pay rent/bills for that small amount. If adjusted for inflation, that $2k would be $13k. That’s enough to pay bills, that’s enough to put a deposit down on a home, that’s enough to do some of the things you could do in 1974 with $2k.
I contacted a Michigan representative about this, and was told they keep the asset limits so low so that only the severely destitute get it… but even the severely destitute can’t afford their bills. SSI pays a whopping $11k a YEAR if you’re permanently disabled, even though they can’t work and paid taxes to protect themselves.
I’m a disability advocate, so very passionate about this.
Voting.
They dont like this one but its real. Democracy doesn’t work if people vote according to falsehoods they believe. Or rather Democracy doesn’t care if they vote like that. Vote stupid, get stupid.
100% agreed. For me it’s pretty simple; issue the same test you issue immigrants for citizenship. If people can’t pass that, why the hell are they getting involved in the governing of our country?
And I speak as someone who has passed the U.K. citizenship test to acquire U.K. citizenship. It takes 2 weeks of studying one hour/week AND some general understanding of what’s going on in the country. It’s not hard, it just requires a little effort and involvement. Seems a minimum you can expect before people make decisions that affect us all.
Making more people, the most complex thing that can be built with unskilled labor.
I’ve always thought it seemed like a design flaw that whole people can be created accidentally.
Thats evolution baby
My damn penis slips in vaginas on accident all the damn time. Grocery shopping, golfing, working out, etc… I mean God wot were u thinkin there mate
I don’t know if accident is the right word. There is definitely a process that needs to be done for the possibility of a kid to get created. It isn’t like people are just bumping into each other at the grocery store and suddenly they are having kids.
POTUS
Elected positions always have that risk, but normally there is some kind of expectation of relevant experience by voters.
Imagine if voters only voted for responsible people who would make good presidents.
some kind of expectation of relevant experience
heh
normally
There has been nothing normal about our elective process since the summer of 2015. And it’s only getting more fucked up across the board.
The minutes of training I got before I got my forklift licence is uhhh… Yeah
Did they show you that awesome german workplace injury video?
I’m a certified forklift trainer and the training I needed for that was a single day that ended in a simple test…
Cops
In Sweden (and most European countries?) you need a two year education (1,5 yr theoretical, 0,5 yr field training) before you can work as a police officer. I think in parts of US the training is just a matter of weeks/months, which is very little considering the situations one need to handle.
That might lead to competency. We don’t do that here.
It’s 3 years here in Germany. Seems like some cops in the US are little more than hired thugs.
Or a little less.
Judges… The fact they aren’t required to have gone through law school is horrifying.
In what country are they not required to have gone through law school?
It was a revelation at some point in my young life when I realized that CEOs (and any other executive position) are not the highly trained and capable leaders with grand business acumen that I was led to believe they are. Literally anyone can be a CEO for a few dollars and their name on a business registration with the local government, no training or capability is required.
Horrifying in retrospect to realize how many people lionize executives simply for adopting a title.
I worked in a bunch of tech.
Startup CEOs are often folks who rolled really high on Charisma and convinced a lot of people to give them money. Often they have a spark of genius, but if they were really smart, they’d hand over power to people smarter than them. That’s how major companies are founded. Then they settle back down.
The dumb ones are egotistical and many end up failing upwards, as they continue being propped up by other until money disappears and they break enough friendships that they end up in jail.
I think it’s great when people create a small business and are successful. But I roll my eyes when they have a business with 20 employees and put their title as President & CEO on shit like linkedin. Just put owner. Or managing partner.
Most CEO positions are just a “boys club” popularity contest…
Project manager in the creative industries. One place I worked had this policy of moving receptionists into project management. Zero experience and zero training prior to starting.
Was there a “job for a job” program run by management?
The Finance Director was fired for being a sex pest. This was after years of hiring policy that basically meant all PMs were his particular type (blonde, big boobs).
I worked at an airport as a ramp agent and it was a minimum wage no experience job where if things fail on an 8/10 level you could cause a plane crash either by terrible luggage distribution or in effective deicing of the planes wings as an aside air canada has lower standard for deice training than most
One of the really notable things about war is that it’s so rare (if you aren’t the US military or else actively engaged in some ongoing conflict), and the rate of people dying and having to be replaced with brand new people is so high, that almost all the time it’s being done for real life-or-death stakes by people who are learning on the job as they go and have no real experience in what they are doing.
A lot of things about military decisions and events don’t completely make sense why they happened the way they do, until you imagine a whole airline being run by people most of whom it’s their first week on the job, and then you say oh okay I get it now; that’s why that happened that way.
