the fact that some people aren’t eating has literally nothing to do with grind all of a prisoners food up into a mush just to make sure they can’t enjoy any aspect of it.
locking someone in a cage is way more than enough punishment.
we’re supposed to be rehabilitating them so when they reenter society they’re not completely feral
most people in there shouldn’t be in there, many are completely innocent… the united states has the way too many people behind bars and it’s very well documented.
yeah, they’re not there to enjoy themselves, but they’re not there to be tortured either….
That may or may not be the case, but there seems to be no point in continuing this discussion here as all of my comments appear to be getting deleted by a mod anyways.
But yes, I’m sure there’s plenty of people in there who don’t deserve, just as I’m sure that there’s plenty of people on the outside who should be in prison in their stead. And yes, the food does look rather pitiful, but that alone doesn’t look like a human rights violation to me as it seems edible in a pinch.
If that’s all they get for a single meal, then it’s still nutritionally deficient. You can argue exactly where the line falls, but “as long as they don’t starve to death” isn’t it.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that a tray of soup is a well balanced and nutritionally sound meal, but these aren’t the metrics we use to evaluate “food crimes” around here either. There’s not enough context from one image of one meal to draw conclusions about the state of affairs of food in the prison system at large.
I mean, I doubt it’s very good considering what cafeteria food was like in school, but this isn’t enough info to warrant sharpening a pitch fork.
40 states currently have ‘pay to stay’ programs, but, my understanding is that they’re the minority of prisons even in those states, and generally the ones on the softer side of the spectrum. still very fucked up.
I need to detach from this convo as I’m getting kind of infuriated without being able to do much about it. I live up in Washington state now, but used to be a Cali boy and shit like this gives you such whiplash if you believe the news about how blue California is. 😂
good luck man. And same! Used to live in Folsom. Now I live in Seattle. Not that rancho cordova didn’t have it’s charms, eh… but I’m a happier person here.
Costa Mesa up to Seattle myself, love how green it is. But noticing how much Spokane vs Seattle politics is at play as I get used to this plane I just moved to… same shit, different place haha
So dehumanizing conditions are cool and good?
we basically passive-aggressively legalized and normalized torture as a punishment…
something something eight amendment
“Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”.
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the fact that some people aren’t eating has literally nothing to do with grind all of a prisoners food up into a mush just to make sure they can’t enjoy any aspect of it.
locking someone in a cage is way more than enough punishment.
we’re supposed to be rehabilitating them so when they reenter society they’re not completely feral
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most people in there shouldn’t be in there, many are completely innocent… the united states has the way too many people behind bars and it’s very well documented.
yeah, they’re not there to enjoy themselves, but they’re not there to be tortured either….
That may or may not be the case, but there seems to be no point in continuing this discussion here as all of my comments appear to be getting deleted by a mod anyways.
But yes, I’m sure there’s plenty of people in there who don’t deserve, just as I’m sure that there’s plenty of people on the outside who should be in prison in their stead. And yes, the food does look rather pitiful, but that alone doesn’t look like a human rights violation to me as it seems edible in a pinch.
It’s soup on a tray bro, not maggots and rot. The presentation is bad obviously but that is clearly chicken soup.
If that’s all they get for a single meal, then it’s still nutritionally deficient. You can argue exactly where the line falls, but “as long as they don’t starve to death” isn’t it.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that a tray of soup is a well balanced and nutritionally sound meal, but these aren’t the metrics we use to evaluate “food crimes” around here either. There’s not enough context from one image of one meal to draw conclusions about the state of affairs of food in the prison system at large.
I mean, I doubt it’s very good considering what cafeteria food was like in school, but this isn’t enough info to warrant sharpening a pitch fork.
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I don’t think it’s free… A lot of states apparently charge a per-day fee that you’ve gotta repay on release.
E: this is (of course) in the US
40 states currently have ‘pay to stay’ programs, but, my understanding is that they’re the minority of prisons even in those states, and generally the ones on the softer side of the spectrum. still very fucked up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-to-stay_(imprisonment)
Stated another way, jail subscription.
in some states (ca is referenced in the link) they can pay more to have softer conditions and even furloughs.
I need to detach from this convo as I’m getting kind of infuriated without being able to do much about it. I live up in Washington state now, but used to be a Cali boy and shit like this gives you such whiplash if you believe the news about how blue California is. 😂
good luck man. And same! Used to live in Folsom. Now I live in Seattle. Not that rancho cordova didn’t have it’s charms, eh… but I’m a happier person here.
Costa Mesa up to Seattle myself, love how green it is. But noticing how much Spokane vs Seattle politics is at play as I get used to this plane I just moved to… same shit, different place haha
No idea. Never been, and not planning on it either, but I guess nobody really does.
They make sure to saddle those pesky prisoners with a healthy amount of debt to make sure they come back soon.
This is by no means a universal or even common thing