Hmm, I don’t think that’s true either. You as well, stranger.

Quite a long, pedantic response.

I didn’t in fact read your other links, nice to see you’re unable to imagine others having lives and limited time. At no point did I say you ate meat, but that you are using similar tactics.

Curious, how much writing you do when all I ask is whether you think animals experience curiosity, and how much of it doesn’t have anything to do with that question.

Rolling back through your overly elaborate discussions here, you’ll note that I never said humans and animals had the same emotions, nor to the same level we as a species do. But I do say what they have is analogous, and that the line between anthropomorphism and observation can itself be a fuzzy concept.

Do you understand that, or will you resort to ad hominem again?

Unfortunately I’ve got to disagree with you from the outset, they do in fact express emotions, having witnessed one of my pets feel less inclined to partake in activities he very much normally enjoyed when his compatriot of a different species eventually passed away due to age. That is one clear example I’ve observed on my own, several times in a couple of different species over the years (unfortunately).

It’s a bit pedantic, in truth, to state that these animals don’t feel human emotions. Do all of us experience ennui for that matter? Envy, to the same level as one another? Which leads to a paradox of how one defines a conscious, human mind at all, if it were indeed based only on what emotions are present when presented with a similar stimulus.

Further, I’m noticing that you’re focused on dancing around “are they human”, not “are they conscious”, a more interesting & insightful question. Unfortunately, I’ve noticed this tactic among people who don’t want to feel bad about eating other conscious beings. If you eat other passengers on this ship called earth, so be it, but avoid the cowardice that comes with assigning them lower value in a pseudo-intellectual manner.

Do you think animals are capable of being curious, even when there’s no impetus for them to be? I certainly do.

How do you know?

My pets express themselves pretty clearly, despite having much more limited ability to communicate across species lines.

I feel reasonably confident in stating that I believe animals are conscious, just to varying depths.

We all know they do. It just makes compartmentalizing other… activities easier for some people.

Yep, and a good way to make acquaintances in class if you let everyone know you can be the PDF kid. 🤓

I was an electrician to pay for school in Manhattan, it was fucking awesome meeting all these dudes and ladies from all walks of life, truly a melting pot. I worked under a quality-centric Rasta, who answered to a way-overworked foreman from long island, we would all be fighting some days, laughing together some days and always getting shit done.

I don’t miss how much my fucking feet or shoulders hurt after being on ladders all day, 50 stories up where the wind fuckin’ gallops (till windows thankfully get installed), but I got so many stories and good/bad times out of the job.

I miss NYC, tell you the truth.

Your point?

So yes 😂

The ones I met at my current job are both laid back, the journey(wo)man is a kind older church-going lady who likes pink work gloves while working on 3ph 480 lines, the apprentice is my age and speaks softly but has a lot of excellent tattoos and probably dirt bikes.

So iunno. Other than being good and reliable electricians, they may be crazy in different ways, but I like em both.

Ugh. Just ugh.

😬 no, guess I wooshed myself haha

We make pretty good food. Lots of people from all over the world living it up in the city.

I’d bet you can get damn good salsa, but perhaps not as easily as just talking to some gente right there in Texas.

Never been to tx, no plans to, just saying the real mexicanos will know what’s up, whether in NYC or Texas.

I’ve met a few, and they were/are damned good electricians. Quality was A1, as a former electrician.

If you drive a Toyota and the infotainment system has a “DCM” icon in the corner, your driving habits and location are being recorded to their servers.

E: this is happening via their own cellular modem built into the vehicle, with its own separate SIM or eSIM. Getting at the module seems to require access behind the dash, almost purposely making it difficult. Pulling the fuse will kill the front passenger-side speaker, though there are YouTube vids on how to reactivate the speaker while keeping the DCM module dead.

We don’t really fail, as we are fast and fluid.

The immobile mega corps struggle to contain us, akin to how weeds and trees grow the cracks in concrete ever wider.

I’m observing a medical device get its encryption broken at this time by individuals.

Man… that looks like a lovely lunch. We don’t get that kind of thing in America while at work, that I’ve seen. Hell, we don’t really even have cafeterias anymore.

At least in the US, a lot of fault hinges on rear impact. Not worth a damn, however, with how many dashcams people have now. These idiots still try though.

I’ll mention that a pixel with CalyxOS works great as well, no google code code other than AOSP which helps battery life a lot.

Some things like voice controlled companion or android auto are being implemented, but I never really gave a fuck about that stuff, being on bicycle or motorcycle only.

I don’t care how nice the sports car is, if it’s not going where I want it to, I’m not getting in.