I would vote for him and him giving the workers of the country money before I voted for a Democrat. Even knowing he is lying it is a better move than voting for a DNC pick. They will just get the same policies passed either way and not even offer the 5k.
Remind me what good things the democrats will do with my vote again? Roe V wade? Card check? No. They will make liberals feel good and the same things will happen anyway.
They only actual difference is that advancing the idea of the government helping people or not. They aren’t going to do it either way but democrats dont even have the will power to pretend they will help.
Did I say vote Democrat? Like I replied to the other person this is exactly the same garbage I hear from libs when explaining why we should not vote for them “oh so you’re voting for Trump”.
I hear it enough everywhere else so please spare me this thought terminating cliche. Thought people here of all places would be better than that…
Please show me where I said that because the only way ypu would read it that way is if you have the same thought terminating liberal brainworms that make people say the exact same thing when I say why I won’t vote for x liberal candidate.
I said that just taking the stance that we should give people money makes him more worthy of a vote than any democrats lately. You objected, despite me being objectively correct. Your objection, as near as I can tell from your post is because trump bad. However he is not worse than any random DNC candidate. He is in this case better because he is advocating for material support in the workers which makes hik to the left of obama.
They are to an extent but there are real material differences between the parties. They genuinely represent seperate factions within the bourgeoisie even if those factions aren’t all that different from a working class perspective.
It is a fact that when fascists take full control of the state communist organizations and labor organizations are crushed. There is no communist revolution under a fascist state. We have to take the state before they fully entrench themselves. Considering our current severe lack of organization I think accelerating this process would be detrimental. It would give us even less time to prepare.
To actively play a role in maintaining the political power of the current American far-right is to accelerate this process.
No, it’s actually useful for the party in charge to not have the legitimacy of popular support. Trump never actually winning a majority of the popular vote is useful. The best outcome is an unpopular government.
I would vote for him and him giving the workers of the country money before I voted for a Democrat. Even knowing he is lying it is a better move than voting for a DNC pick. They will just get the same policies passed either way and not even offer the 5k.
Let me stop you right there. Jesus christ can we stop with these unironic trump vote comments ffs.
As opposed to all the unironic Democrat vote comments , which are fine, apparently.
Where did I say that? This is the same insufferable lib shit in reverse of “oh you’re not voting for [Democrat] so you must want Trump to win!”
Spare me that bullshit please
Yeah, people are reading with their gut and not thinking things true on the math for sure for this one.
“Capitalists will lie about giving you the rope to hang yourself with.”
-Apocryphal
Remind me what good things the democrats will do with my vote again? Roe V wade? Card check? No. They will make liberals feel good and the same things will happen anyway.
They only actual difference is that advancing the idea of the government helping people or not. They aren’t going to do it either way but democrats dont even have the will power to pretend they will help.
Did I say vote Democrat? Like I replied to the other person this is exactly the same garbage I hear from libs when explaining why we should not vote for them “oh so you’re voting for Trump”.
I hear it enough everywhere else so please spare me this thought terminating cliche. Thought people here of all places would be better than that…
Unfortunately we love to respond to inferred subtext rather than explicit content here on hexbear just as much as everywhere else.
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Please show me where I said that because the only way ypu would read it that way is if you have the same thought terminating liberal brainworms that make people say the exact same thing when I say why I won’t vote for x liberal candidate.
I said that just taking the stance that we should give people money makes him more worthy of a vote than any democrats lately. You objected, despite me being objectively correct. Your objection, as near as I can tell from your post is because trump bad. However he is not worse than any random DNC candidate. He is in this case better because he is advocating for material support in the workers which makes hik to the left of obama.
No I objected to “I would vote for him even knowing he’s lying”
Cause voting really isn’t that important
Being anti-accelerationist is not liberal brainworms.
Thinking that the DNC is not in favor of trump policies is a brainworm not backee up by reality yes.
Or are you saying I shouldn’t enjoy us losing world hegemony?
They are to an extent but there are real material differences between the parties. They genuinely represent seperate factions within the bourgeoisie even if those factions aren’t all that different from a working class perspective.
It is a fact that when fascists take full control of the state communist organizations and labor organizations are crushed. There is no communist revolution under a fascist state. We have to take the state before they fully entrench themselves. Considering our current severe lack of organization I think accelerating this process would be detrimental. It would give us even less time to prepare.
To actively play a role in maintaining the political power of the current American far-right is to accelerate this process.
Alright I think you are making a better point than I assumed. I’ll actually read it properly before I say anything then
No, it’s actually useful for the party in charge to not have the legitimacy of popular support. Trump never actually winning a majority of the popular vote is useful. The best outcome is an unpopular government.
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