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thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.net · 11 days ago

Libs: "organize, vote and talk to dem politicians to support you" Biden/Harris alumni: "Democracy isn't real and we don't give a fuck what our own voters want."

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Libs: "organize, vote and talk to dem politicians to support you" Biden/Harris alumni: "Democracy isn't real and we don't give a fuck what our own voters want."

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thelastaxolotl [he/him]@hexbear.net to Slop.@hexbear.net · 11 days ago
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quote tweto https://x.com/PushDemsLeft/status/2098773631346037110

Democrats are the closest thing to actual existing Italian Fascism than any other ideology in the USA.

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  • ClathrateG [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    A 2014 study by professors Martin Gilens and Benjamin Page concluded that average American citizens have a near-zero, statistically non-significant impact on U.S. government policy

    Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B

    • Awoo [she/her]@hexbear.net
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      Evergreen study. No one can claim it’s gotten better since either lol

  • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    i mean it’s true, but you’re not supposed to say it

  • Aradino [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Complaining loud enough used to work because it used to represent a threat of action. But then someone noticed no one actually did anything

    • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      Everyone is too scared and comfortable to try anything

      • Daftydux@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Though it probably wouldn’t take much we are far from rock bottom. Id bet though, if a certain class of people missed 1 or 2 meals, it would all be over.

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    The mask sure is getting itchy these days, huh? Just wanna rip it off.

  • Crucible [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    Gotta love when liberals say exactly what we all know, and tbh what history says about the country, but present it as a good thing.

    Capitalist elections are simply a series of baffles and pressure releases to ensure that revolutionary fervour never grows beyond engagement with the system

  • Rom [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    ok so why should we allow this system to continue existing?

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    Just straight up admitting it.

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Shitting all over the idea of democracy to own the left

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    Really weird thing to post. Somehow saying “the dems are not responsive to their base and do not believe in democracy at all” in defense of the dems? What does this guy want? A million luigis?

    • DragonBallZinn [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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      And then they scratch their heads wondering why the hell Mamdani won?

      Dear dems, you’re just South Park republicans, but your base isn’t. If you want to be South Park republicans, just be republicans.

  • GenderIsOpSec [she/her, kit/kit's]@hexbear.net
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    reminds me of the story Yanis Varoufakis tells about how they told him that something as ephemeral elections aren’t allowed to change your economic policy. so what is democracy for then? just shuffling ghouls around?

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      Wolfgang Schäuble, a powerful advocate of austerity policy in Europe, succinctly summarized the extent to which electoral democracy is subordinate: “Elections cannot be allowed to change economic policy.” [18] One Party States and Democratic Centralism are not the result of lack of sophistication or cronyism, they are a proven bulwark that acknowledges that political power will often need to be exerted against the will of Capital, and so the wielders of said power must necessarily undergo a much more serious vetting process than a popularity contest.

      from https://redsails.org/why-marxism/

      [18] Yanis Varoufakis, Adults In The Room (2017), Part 2, Section 8 (“Elections versus economic policy”).

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    “Sorry democratic base, but you don’t get a say! We’re just going to be republicans!”

    “Wait, why are you a non-voter? If you don’t vote for me, someone who is a carbon copy of the GOP, you’ll get the GOP!”

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    he-admit-it

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    And what do policymakers look to when developing policy?

    Stink tank lobbyists and polls. Polls matter. When you lost to Trump AGAIN, it was because Dems ignored public opinion and polls. Then they go into denial and abusive shaming.

  • Le_Wokisme [they/them, undecided]@hexbear.net
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    well if the soap box and the ballot box don’t work then i guess this guy wants a bunch of his former coworkers to get shot.

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      no comrade, you’re forgetting the jury box where president trump himself lets you sit in his lap while you hear his verdict

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    This guy is such a fucking dumbass dipshit. The whole architecture around policymaking is arbitrary. Policymaking is not a goal unto itself rather it’s supposed to serve a purpose. But by abstracting away policy and the goal of real world improvement in people’s lives the elites dogs ie the political class can excuse away their refusal to do anything for the public good. Just compare how fast policy that serves ruling class interests is implemented to say free public healthcare. Anyway as always God damn America and hopefully it falls apart asap because imho it will never and can never be a positive force in the world but rather the exact opposite acab

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