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boycotts? in this specific treatlerite location? at this time of day? preposterous

  • Great job clipping the actual phrase:

    “I think people have a responsibility, especially now, to show that they are not on the side of what Israel is doing as loudly and boldly as possible. That’s the way I see it. I don’t want any harm committed against random citizens, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I want a peaceful solution, and no, I don’t think that me calling Zionism a Nazi ideology is fomenting violence towards Jews broadly. I genuinely don’t believe that.”

    As a response to the loded question:

    Calling someone a Nazi has consequences. Do you think about the downstream effect of the language you use – whether it ends up leading to targeting or violence?

    He is literally calling Zionism a Nazi ideology, but sure, go ahead and extract the a phrase out of context to make it sound like he’s arguing the “neither side” fallacy by omitting that the question is clearly talking about stochastic terrorism in the US, and explicitly bringing up how Muslims are victims of this stochastic terrorism.

    Also, the whole “don’t platform fascists” only works when you’re the big media and the fascists are the small bean compared, Zionists essentially own all media already, Hasan isn’t platforming anyone here.

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            well i’d imagine he’s trying first to campaign for politicians that are trying to end the genocide before tackling zionism itself. i do believe he is of the opinion that zionist is a nazi ideology.

            i would imagine that it’s impossible to currently get americans to jump to straight to voting politicians that want to abolish israel, since they currently vote for evil pieces of shit that send unconditional aid to israel in the middle of a genocide

            i don’t think he fully supports these politicians, it’s more like critical support for the time being

            i don’t think it’s gonna work, i don’t believe in electoral politics in a liberal democracy and wouldn’t promote it as the way to implement socialism, but i do respect him for at least trying to do something to end the genocide

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                yes

                edit: well, it’s more complicated than that. i’d say it’s likely that he accepts that they have nazi positions but believe something else but have to “tone it down” cus of the political environment in the states

                he’s been saying stuff like this about other candidates at least

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      boycotting intel only works if you’re amazon

      boycotting hp only works if you are the local supplier for hospital

      boycotting sodastream only works when you don’t want to save money on great flavors of soda

      nothing can ever be done, a lesson from america.

      quick, name ten companies on bds list

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    The amount of Hasan simps on this forum who would die on a hill for him is astounding. I’ve held my tongue on this subject for a while now because I really don’t care about what streamers do as they are ultimately just infotainment slop producers who don’t enact any real material change, and everytime anyone even slightly critiques Hasan on Hexbear they get backlash. But this is just ridiculous now.

    Even when he straight up collaborates with a major Israeli media outlet people here STILL defend him lmao. “Oh no you’re taking a quote out of context he still calls Zionism a ‘Nazi ideology’ guys!” while trying to normalize an Israeli media outlet and thinking you can just do peaceful Palestinian liberation by talking your average Israeli settler out of their own class interests by engaging in the ‘marketplace of ideas’. It’s just pure performative BS that liberals do all the time; they love to talk the talk but never walk the walk. And Hasan IS a liberal, make no mistake. He calls himself an ‘anti-zionist socialist’ and does vanity trips to Cuba and China but in action only ever advocates voting for Democrats, a party that wants to destroy both countries and fully supports Israel.