Of course, people also get angry in the face of injustice. That’s a whole other thing, and I think people should actually focus all of their anger on this.
This is like the core separation between being a leftist who read theory vs a leftist who read memes.
Dirtbag leftists will say, sure, hate the perpetrators. Principled leftist scholars have written hundreds of pages about why we critique systemic issues instead of condemning random individuals.
The following is an excerpt from Eugene V. Debs’ Canton, Ohio speech. Emphasis mine.
“Some years ago I was to speak at Warren in this state. It happened to be at the time that President McKinley was assassinated. In common with all others I deplored that tragic event. There is not a Socialist who would have been guilty of that crime. We do not attack individuals. We do not seek to avenge ourselves upon those opposed to our faith. We have no fight with individuals as such. We are capable of pitying those who hate us. We do not hate them; we know better; we would freely give them a cup of water if they needed it. There is no room in our hearts for hate, except for the system, the social system in which it is possible for one man to amass a stupendous fortune doing nothing, while millions of others suffer and struggle and agonize and die for the bare necessities of existence.”
I’m happy to see someone here articulate this because it’s actually something I’ve thought about a lot, and I’ve considered withdrawing from hexbear because of how my own mindset can be influenced by exposure to so much anger towards individuals. Unfortunately at the moment I’m functionally disabled with a hard time leaving the house, which makes logging off from social media a lot more of a sacrifice.
Thank you for your, and his, perspective. I don’t agree. Perhaps I am too hateful. But, no matter, I’m probably not going to change. I feel too strongly about this.
Seems like a very political answer too. Which is good, much better for optics then I would be.
The first step to overcoming something like misanthropy is acknowledging its presence in your mindset. If you don’t want to change your mindset, then it is what it is. Nobody’s a perfect communist, and we don’t have to be.
If hate or anger ever feels like it’s weighing on you too heavily in the future, you can always think about it more then.
It definitely weighs on me, but what is to be done? I hate abusers. I hate bigots. I don’t think any amount of thinking about it is going to make me not hate someone who inflicts such pain and suffering on someone else. I’ve had a few thoughts to, make it less, or justify their thoughts and behavior somehow but they clearly were not enough. I used to give people more credit.
Most people aren’t good people, but they’re still people. They’re an animal in a fucked up society. I think again it’s sort of about meeting people where they are. Having no expectations for other people kind of means they can’t disappoint you.
Maybe they’ll come around someday and that’s great or maybe they’ll just die bitter some day. It is what it is.
It just feels really strange, because the system is the people enforcing it. It is the people profiting from it, upholding it. This isn’t the matrix, they system cants be defined and left, it is people with motive to maintain it.
I did this too hard and now I hate everyone
You’re angry at people, which means necessarily that you are not focusing all of your anger on the injustice.
As Alexander Cockburn would put it, your hate is not pure.
If you hate something, how can you not hate those responsible?
This is like the core separation between being a leftist who read theory vs a leftist who read memes.Dirtbag leftists will say, sure, hate the perpetrators. Principled leftist scholars have written hundreds of pages about why we critique systemic issues instead of condemning random individuals.
The following is an excerpt from Eugene V. Debs’ Canton, Ohio speech. Emphasis mine.
I’m happy to see someone here articulate this because it’s actually something I’ve thought about a lot, and I’ve considered withdrawing from hexbear because of how my own mindset can be influenced by exposure to so much anger towards individuals. Unfortunately at the moment I’m functionally disabled with a hard time leaving the house, which makes logging off from social media a lot more of a sacrifice.
Thank you for your, and his, perspective. I don’t agree. Perhaps I am too hateful. But, no matter, I’m probably not going to change. I feel too strongly about this.
Seems like a very political answer too. Which is good, much better for optics then I would be.
The first step to overcoming something like misanthropy is acknowledging its presence in your mindset. If you don’t want to change your mindset, then it is what it is. Nobody’s a perfect communist, and we don’t have to be.
If hate or anger ever feels like it’s weighing on you too heavily in the future, you can always think about it more then.
well, thank you for accepting me where I am.
It definitely weighs on me, but what is to be done? I hate abusers. I hate bigots. I don’t think any amount of thinking about it is going to make me not hate someone who inflicts such pain and suffering on someone else. I’ve had a few thoughts to, make it less, or justify their thoughts and behavior somehow but they clearly were not enough. I used to give people more credit.
Most people aren’t good people, but they’re still people. They’re an animal in a fucked up society. I think again it’s sort of about meeting people where they are. Having no expectations for other people kind of means they can’t disappoint you.
Maybe they’ll come around someday and that’s great or maybe they’ll just die bitter some day. It is what it is.
It just feels really strange, because the system is the people enforcing it. It is the people profiting from it, upholding it. This isn’t the matrix, they system cants be defined and left, it is people with motive to maintain it.