I don’t know. You brought up all those other scenarios. I don’t know how they’re relevant either.
Anyway, why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace, or flee successfully if it comes to that?
why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace
I reject the premise that this is what the military is doing.
I live in Germany and currently the German government is amping up militarisation which actively increases the risk of war with Russia which in turn endangers my life.
I live in Germany and currently the German government is amping up militarisation which actively increases the risk of war with Russia which in turn endangers my life.
Do you believe that Germany disbanding their military and turning over control of the country to Putin endangers your life less? Does this extend to everyone in your community? Everyone inside the geographical borders of Germany?
I reject the premise that Russia (or “Putin”) wants to invade Germany.
Yes, I’d prefer Germany to disband their military… and police for that matter.
But considering how unrealistic this scenario is: I’d prefer Germany to reestablish diplomatic connections with Russia. Since the only other alternative is war with Russia.
While a utopia is always an admirable goal, I would like to know what diplomatic relations look like in your viewpoint with Russia. Further, why is Russia invading Ukraine? Do you believe that if Ukraine capitulated, disbanded their military and became Russia that the people of Ukraine would be safer?
Do you believe that the current Russian government would stop expansionism with just the annexation of Ukraine?
While a utopia is always an admirable goal, I would like to know what diplomatic relations look like in your viewpoint with Russia.
Diplomatic relations are not utopian by any stretch. It’s literally this or all out war with Russia. For reference as to what diplomatic relationships with Russia could look like: Look at China, India, Iran or pre 2022 Germany and how they inttract with Russia.
Further, why is Russia invading Ukraine?
I’m not here to disentangle that historical ball of yarn. Also: I believe that you’re already predetermined to call me names if I don’t give you the answer that you already accepted as the one truth.
Do you believe that if Ukraine capitulated, disbanded their military and became Russia that the people of Ukraine would be safer?
I think that if Ukraine accepted the treaty of March 2022, then hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive. Also: Russia never wanted to annex the whole of Ukraine.
Do you believe that the current Russian government would stop expansionism with just the annexation of Ukraine?
Again: I reject the premise. Russia never wanted to annex Ukraine.
Diplomatic relations are not utopian by any stretch. It’s literally this or all out war with Russia.
Diplomatic relations isn’t, but disbanding of militaries and police certainly is. As to how Germany’s diplomatic relationship is lacking, isn’t the only difference with how China is interacting sanctions for the war? If the only option for embargoing oil trade is all out war, I think that is a lack of imagination at play.
Also: I believe that you’re already predetermined to call me names if I don’t give you the answer that you already accepted as the one truth.
Why would I call you names? What would make you think I would?
As you do not wish to discuss this, I can only infer that you might think that Russian annexation of Crimea and Donbas regions is for reasons other than territorial expansion of farmland, industrial centers, and naval ports. I personally do not think there is any justifiable reason for the invasion, even if you believe Ukraine was a 100% Nazi country and the Eastern third of the country was asking for Russia to come liberate them.
if Ukraine accepted the treaty of March 2022, then hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive. Also: Russia never wanted to annex the whole of Ukraine.
If Russia had held to the Budapest Memorandum, thousands of Ukranians and Russians would still be alive. Ukraine would also have lost a third of their territory and been weakened against follow up hostilities with no binding guarantees of lasting peace.
Again: I reject the premise. Russia never wanted to annex Ukraine.
Just like you reject the premise that Russia would annex all of Ukraine if given the chance, I reject the premise that Russia wants to stop at liberating ethnic Russians living in Donbas and Crimea. I believe it far more likely that Putin would like to strengthen Russia by reconquering the former Soviet bloc and restoring national empire as his legacy.
I believe there is a goal of Greater Russia the same way China annexed Nepal, and the same early I believe there is a goal of Greater Israel in Syria. Both countries would happily annex their neighbors, especially as buffer zones against nearby “hostile” neighbors.
I don’t know. You brought up all those other scenarios. I don’t know how they’re relevant either.
Anyway, why would it not be a good thing if others want to put their lives on the line so that you can live your life in peace, or flee successfully if it comes to that?
I reject the premise that this is what the military is doing.
I live in Germany and currently the German government is amping up militarisation which actively increases the risk of war with Russia which in turn endangers my life.
Do you believe that Germany disbanding their military and turning over control of the country to Putin endangers your life less? Does this extend to everyone in your community? Everyone inside the geographical borders of Germany?
I reject the premise that Russia (or “Putin”) wants to invade Germany.
Yes, I’d prefer Germany to disband their military… and police for that matter.
But considering how unrealistic this scenario is: I’d prefer Germany to reestablish diplomatic connections with Russia. Since the only other alternative is war with Russia.
While a utopia is always an admirable goal, I would like to know what diplomatic relations look like in your viewpoint with Russia. Further, why is Russia invading Ukraine? Do you believe that if Ukraine capitulated, disbanded their military and became Russia that the people of Ukraine would be safer?
Do you believe that the current Russian government would stop expansionism with just the annexation of Ukraine?
Diplomatic relations are not utopian by any stretch. It’s literally this or all out war with Russia. For reference as to what diplomatic relationships with Russia could look like: Look at China, India, Iran or pre 2022 Germany and how they inttract with Russia.
I’m not here to disentangle that historical ball of yarn. Also: I believe that you’re already predetermined to call me names if I don’t give you the answer that you already accepted as the one truth.
I think that if Ukraine accepted the treaty of March 2022, then hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians would still be alive. Also: Russia never wanted to annex the whole of Ukraine.
Again: I reject the premise. Russia never wanted to annex Ukraine.
Diplomatic relations isn’t, but disbanding of militaries and police certainly is. As to how Germany’s diplomatic relationship is lacking, isn’t the only difference with how China is interacting sanctions for the war? If the only option for embargoing oil trade is all out war, I think that is a lack of imagination at play.
Why would I call you names? What would make you think I would?
As you do not wish to discuss this, I can only infer that you might think that Russian annexation of Crimea and Donbas regions is for reasons other than territorial expansion of farmland, industrial centers, and naval ports. I personally do not think there is any justifiable reason for the invasion, even if you believe Ukraine was a 100% Nazi country and the Eastern third of the country was asking for Russia to come liberate them.
If Russia had held to the Budapest Memorandum, thousands of Ukranians and Russians would still be alive. Ukraine would also have lost a third of their territory and been weakened against follow up hostilities with no binding guarantees of lasting peace.
Just like you reject the premise that Russia would annex all of Ukraine if given the chance, I reject the premise that Russia wants to stop at liberating ethnic Russians living in Donbas and Crimea. I believe it far more likely that Putin would like to strengthen Russia by reconquering the former Soviet bloc and restoring national empire as his legacy.
I believe there is a goal of Greater Russia the same way China annexed Nepal, and the same early I believe there is a goal of Greater Israel in Syria. Both countries would happily annex their neighbors, especially as buffer zones against nearby “hostile” neighbors.