Breathing smoke is generally bad, yes, but it also depends on what’s in the smoke. Someone breathing campfire woodsmoke is not the same as someone breathing in smoke from melting plastic
Campfire woodsmoke is super super toxic as well, plastic is worse but wood is hardly a clean burn wither. There are differences but that between tobacco and whatever herbal cigarettes are around us pretty minimal. Ive seen this used as a pro weed anti tobacco thing as if they’re mutually exclusive, yeah weed is less bad for you than tobacco but inhaling combusted carbon will always be really fucking bad for you regardless. No one is intentionally smoking fire wood or plastic
i’m not disagreeing, merely adding the context that there’s varying degrees of harmful things. The relative level of carcinogens is relevant, and some things combust in very toxic forms. All smoking is going to be harmful, but the degree to which can vary like one hundred fold. Hookah for instance is WAY worse for than you than smoking weed via a bong, it’s not even remotely close.
Humans have lived closely around campfires for hundreds of thousands of years. Obviously it may have shortened our average lifespans in terms of lung cancer, but it’s not quite the same as people who are involved in a single extremely toxic fires without respiration protection - or even those who have to live next to toxic polluting factories. They can get diseases or die from a single exposure or within a matter of months.
Campfires are smaller. A factory that just burned wood for no reason would have nasty ass emissions, so scale comes into play there. But yeah, there are like…super toxic fires and sorta toxic fires, there are no nom toxic fires.
Didn’t know about the hookah thing, why is thst worse? I have heard stoners over extol the virtue of water filtration via bong cause theyre stoners and are dumb.
The other major aspect to consider when choosing between cigarettes and smoking other stuff is that cigarettes are a drug and herbal cigarettes arent. So if you’re smoking herbal cigarettes you’re just breathing smoke cause you like the smell. You’re still doing the majority of the harm and not getting any of the fun.
Both Hookahs and Bongs use water-filtration which doesn’t really do too much other than cool down the smoke, which actually is worse because then you can hold it in your lungs longer and with deeper breaths. The reason Hookah is dangerous is because it’s combusted Tobacco but cooled, so it’s all the bad things of cigarettes with no filter and vastly higher volumes held with deeper breaths for longer. Nobody holds cigarette smoke in a deep breath, but they do for Hookah/Weed.
I was comparing like-with-like to demonstrate that weed smoke is vastly less toxic and carcinogenic than tobacco smoke is, by order of magnitudes. Combusted Tobacco just has more carcinogens and tar. It’s just a more harmful substance when inhaled via combusted smoke, objectively.
Less harmful is still only relevant before a certain threshold. Weed also gets you high, unlike an herbal cigarette. I smoke cigarettes and joints, im smoking both at once rn cause i’m in flavor country. But there is a major major difference between ‘if youre gonna smoke something weed is better than tabacco’ and ‘it’s okay to smoke some stuff’ and then two are often conflate or exaggerated by potheads, of which I am one but I will also totally smoke Crack if offered as well
This will also be addressed by the Chinese scientists. I believe in a post-scarcity world and I believe in that world we will have nicotine that is good for you. Denying my dream and the dreams of the people is reactionary, counterrevolutionary, and just mean.
Herbal cigs already exist
Those arent really better. Its the breathing smoke that does the most damage
Breathing smoke is generally bad, yes, but it also depends on what’s in the smoke. Someone breathing campfire woodsmoke is not the same as someone breathing in smoke from melting plastic
Campfire woodsmoke is super super toxic as well, plastic is worse but wood is hardly a clean burn wither. There are differences but that between tobacco and whatever herbal cigarettes are around us pretty minimal. Ive seen this used as a pro weed anti tobacco thing as if they’re mutually exclusive, yeah weed is less bad for you than tobacco but inhaling combusted carbon will always be really fucking bad for you regardless. No one is intentionally smoking fire wood or plastic
i’m not disagreeing, merely adding the context that there’s varying degrees of harmful things. The relative level of carcinogens is relevant, and some things combust in very toxic forms. All smoking is going to be harmful, but the degree to which can vary like one hundred fold. Hookah for instance is WAY worse for than you than smoking weed via a bong, it’s not even remotely close.
Humans have lived closely around campfires for hundreds of thousands of years. Obviously it may have shortened our average lifespans in terms of lung cancer, but it’s not quite the same as people who are involved in a single extremely toxic fires without respiration protection - or even those who have to live next to toxic polluting factories. They can get diseases or die from a single exposure or within a matter of months.
The preposition was that China would create cigs that are healthy
Lighting something on fire and inhaling the concentrated free radicals resulting from its combustion is fundamentally unhealthy
I’ll glaze China as much as the next gay but there comes a point where it is just ridiculous
Campfires are smaller. A factory that just burned wood for no reason would have nasty ass emissions, so scale comes into play there. But yeah, there are like…super toxic fires and sorta toxic fires, there are no nom toxic fires.
Didn’t know about the hookah thing, why is thst worse? I have heard stoners over extol the virtue of water filtration via bong cause theyre stoners and are dumb.
The other major aspect to consider when choosing between cigarettes and smoking other stuff is that cigarettes are a drug and herbal cigarettes arent. So if you’re smoking herbal cigarettes you’re just breathing smoke cause you like the smell. You’re still doing the majority of the harm and not getting any of the fun.
Both Hookahs and Bongs use water-filtration which doesn’t really do too much other than cool down the smoke, which actually is worse because then you can hold it in your lungs longer and with deeper breaths. The reason Hookah is dangerous is because it’s combusted Tobacco but cooled, so it’s all the bad things of cigarettes with no filter and vastly higher volumes held with deeper breaths for longer. Nobody holds cigarette smoke in a deep breath, but they do for Hookah/Weed.
I was comparing like-with-like to demonstrate that weed smoke is vastly less toxic and carcinogenic than tobacco smoke is, by order of magnitudes. Combusted Tobacco just has more carcinogens and tar. It’s just a more harmful substance when inhaled via combusted smoke, objectively.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24836469/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8479631/
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5896480/
https://pip.missouri.edu/Hookah/
Less harmful is still only relevant before a certain threshold. Weed also gets you high, unlike an herbal cigarette. I smoke cigarettes and joints, im smoking both at once rn cause i’m in flavor country. But there is a major major difference between ‘if youre gonna smoke something weed is better than tabacco’ and ‘it’s okay to smoke some stuff’ and then two are often conflate or exaggerated by potheads, of which I am one but I will also totally smoke Crack if offered as well
Nah, I need full flavored, full nicotine, and completely healthy. Herbal cigarettes are marketing, I need a scientific solution.
the addiction without the cancer
I believe in the dream of the people.
with gacha mechanics and cute anime girls in each cigarette box
Matcha-Dubai chocolate-flavored cigarettes with Labubu characteristics
Gacha mechanics and anime girls working together to hold up the sky.
Well, the nicotine itself is also poisonous and will lead to arteriosclerosis, peripheral neuropathy, and other conditions. It’s part of why I quit
This will also be addressed by the Chinese scientists. I believe in a post-scarcity world and I believe in that world we will have nicotine that is good for you. Denying my dream and the dreams of the people is reactionary, counterrevolutionary, and just mean.
I remember that is what they marketed vapes as back in the day.
Good luck on your quest
I have faith the scientist of China will find the solution before they ever give up smoking.