• Grail@multiverse.soulism.net
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    2 个月前

    If everyone who voted for Biden had voted for Harris, she would have won the popular vote. In 2024, there were more abstainers like you.

    • Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip
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      2 个月前

      Who said I abstained? I literally said I voted third party and was discussing third party voters. Why are you now needing to include people who don’t vote at all? I voted third party in 2020 also so it’s not like the Dems lost my vote between those years.

      • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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        2 个月前

        In FPTP, voting for a third party – even when it’s some major figure like Ross Perot or Bull Moose Teddy Roosevelt – is doing the same as abstaining.

        By voting defensively we can control the damage. But we’re obligated to do more than just vote.

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          2 个月前

          Voting defensively is how we got here. Too many view voting as all they can do and any talk about doing more is viewed as too radical and annoying. If someone votes third party, but works to organize then I’d say they’re doing more than the vast amount of Americans.

          • Uriel238 [all pronouns]@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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            2 个月前

            People who voted for Biden in 2020 didn’t show up to vote in 2024. People not showing up to vote is how we got here. People not showing up to vote for Clinton in 2016 is how we got the SCOTUS far-right supermajority that can veto anything it wants, including the 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

            And yes, if you’re organizing for the next noncooperation effort or the next general strike or coordinating obstruction of ICE abductions or working for your local mutual aid org, then yes, you’re doing something more, possibly more important than voting.

            But it’s going to be a while before those organized efforts have enough power to make demands, and by then we’re likely to be in civil war. We’re already seeing state violence and concentration camps.