• kibiz0r@midwest.social
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    2 months ago

    There’s a very narrow sense in which it’s true: immigrants are willing to work harder, in worse conditions, for less pay… and therefore your life gets harder when you have to compete against them in the labor market.

    But to keep the blame right there, you have to be a profoundly uncurious person.

    Not just why they’re able to successfully undercut you, but also why they are incentivized to undercut you and why they’ve even been forced to relocate to your labor market in the first place.

    In particular, thinking that more dramatic threats to the immigrant population (via increased enforcement) is going to make them a less exploitable labor competitor is uhhh… quite a remarkable delusion.

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        2 months ago

        And global labor and environmental protections. Really whatever the IMF says poor nations have to do when in debt, I want them to do the opposite and for rich nations to help them be built up

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        2 months ago

        I prefer a global minimum asset* tax for all who own and earn three or more times than someone from the poorest 10% in all countries they have assets in. Let’s start at 99.99999% tax over what’s beyond that net worth.

        * Income, non-cooperative stocks, inheritance, wealth, bonuses, land, housing, etc.

        And forced lifelong community service at conditions of their worst off employee (or worst off consumer), if they do not comply. This will continue for all who have that much wealth until the assets are fully given back to society.

        Boycot tax havens, like the US, which demand US citizen tax data abroad yet refuse to share their own. If the US wants tax data it should give its own too. This requirement should be backed by defence, financed from the state (not private), and the defence should be everyone.

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      2 months ago

      Thank you. There is a reason half the population blames immigrants, and it’s because they undeniably are used to undercut wages, especially the undocumentated that can be abused and denied rights and deported on a whim from their employers. Oh, did I mention cheating? They straight up cheat them out of wages, because, fuck you, what are you going to do? Look at agricultural workers, picking fruit and such. They’ve temp agencies hire out, then cheat them out of a good share of their already paltry wages.

      Paltry is too light a touch. They get paid shit, and these fucking farms use these temp agencies to cheat them even further.

      Obviously it’s a side issue to the rich stealing our lunch, but this is what fuels the fascist takeover, and if we don’t confront in honestly, with strong leadership, we will lose.

    • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      The underlying idea that people can only ever seek to undercut is a problem of non-starter proportions, and also, refreshingly, just not correct.

      By assuming otherwise and plowing ahead, nothing can help us.

      Literally zero things on earth are forcing humans to lie, cheat, steal, and attack. Everybody who wants to stop, does, and everybody who thinks about it for two seconds wants to stop.

      Notably, “doubling down on something thoughtlessly” isn’t “thinking about it for two seconds”, and thus will produce different results every time.