A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
Remember that institutions are not a requirement for conscience.
You’re not that special-if you’re feeling it, a lot if other people probably are too
You’re going to choose whether you live in a world where men with guns shoot civilians, or shoot (higher) officers who order them to shoot civilians. Sorry you gotta make that choice.
What lead you here? Who are you? Who do you want to be? How can you best be loyal to that?
When this is all over, you’re going to have to live with what you’ve done. Or not. Im telling you; the best therapists are or know people in those crowds.
Whose side are you on?
No. They should not shoot the officer that gives the order, that is a prison sentence no matter what.
The whole “disobey unethical orders” thing is for officers on the field receiving orders from command that they perceive as a warcrime (or against the constitution). They simply say “no, we aren’t doing that”.
If someone shoots an officer ordering war crimes that is justice, and probably why they don’t allow military members to be tired by public courts. They would almost certainly be acquitted.
Honestly I like how the constitution says everyone without exception is allowed a jury trial, but we just pretend that it’s okay for the military to not follow that. Like sure now they are volunteers, but conscription has a long history. It’s kinda fucked up when you think about it, and definently unconstitutional
The military is told when they enlist that they are signing away their rights as a citizen until the term of enlistment, or their commission, is fulfilled. Personally I appreciated being bound by a much smaller, but somewhat more restrictive, set of rules that they gave each of us a copy of to read and learn. Turns out it’s much easier to just do what you want to do, if you know how to do it within the rules.
I understand that’s what we say, but it’s not in the constitution and courts have ruled that you cannot sign away your rights as they are inalienable. Yet, it’s allowed for the military to do so
Military kinda has to operate under its own jurisdiction. They have to be able to tell the president, “no.” The founders didn’t think we would have a standing military, so they didn’t put provisions in the Constitution itself, but once it became clear that we were going to have to have a standing army and navy at all times, we changed the laws.
Also it can be argued that a court martial is better than a jury trial. Because the jury is made of JAG, so they actually know what the UCMJ says, and what precedents apply.
I get what you’re saying, but historically the military does not tell the president “no” (at least to our knowledge) and has constantly committed war crimes with little to no repercussions
No. You are 100% WRONG. Shooting an officer ordering a war crime is not justice … it is actually criminal behavior. It is not how it is done.
Source: The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)
Because the UCMJ has done such a great job of preventing war crimes and punishing war criminals…
Just because something is illegal doesn’t make it unjust and vice versa.
After all according to the German military the holocaust was legal. If soldiers then murdered their officers they would have been seen by the world as heros.
Legality should not be the basis of your morality
but that’s illegal!
If this pops off, there are no laws. It’s just men with guns. Your lib shit is going to get people killed. Lots of people. Your lib shit is how you start a civil war. Stop. Delete this comment. Im trying to reduce harm here, you’re clearly into accellerationism.
the officers should
Yeah. Yeah they should. And if they don’t, their soldiers should protest, by issuing a report in .768.
Political power, when there is no mutual respect or goal, comes out the barrel of a gun.
Calm your fucking tities! If you just refuse illegal orders, they won’t usually do shit against you, just court martial you. Or attempt to. They can’t execute everyone
Fragging shit officers is a time honored tradition of the enlisted. I say that as an officer. The legality of it really doesn’t matter at the time.
Can’t these babykillers do warcrimes against brown people that don’t inconvenience the US as usual?!?
I’d suggest all service members from all branches of military to expect to be made to do blatantly fascist things. Do not be a tool of a dictator; do not simply follow orders. Fully prepare to quit in protest, or fully prepare to be a perpetrator.
I can tell you never served. They can refuse to follow illegal orders, and are specifically required to do so. The procedure normally requires you to place the offending officer under arrest, but there are circumstances that would allow for the delivery of a corpse instead. Fragging didn’t start in Doom and Quake.
What they absolutely cannot do, is quit. That’s called going AWOL and that shit carries years in Leavenworth.
When the offending officer is the Commander-in-Chief, standard procedure breaks down. If the orders come down for Marines et al to march on U.S. soil, the unconstitutional order has gone from the very top to the very bottom. Disobedience can surely lead to Leavenworth as easily as going AWOL.
That being said, don’t obey, don’t quit, don’t go quietly either. If you have sworn an oath to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic, keep that oath above all else.
We need to identify where on the Internet people who this post would speak to are congregating. While I don’t doubt there are some vets on Lemmy I doubt many active national guard are here. We should be smart with these posts
Remember, us vets tend to know active service people. Hell, I have a niece in the Navy currently.
I know the air force subreddit has a lot of active duty members, maybe there’s a subreddit for the other branches
/r/Army and lemmy.world/c/army
I think it’s more like, if you know someone who is.
Friends and family members might be here though.
Forgive my ignorance, who even answers that hotline? What can they do?
Give legal advice, or direct you to the resources to get legal advice. From what I’ve heard from experts on NPR, JAG attorneys are still pretty competent and helpful to service members, but I he no personal experience to back this up.
I just logged on to post this and was pleased to see it at the top of my feed o7
Fuck anyone in the US military.
The military has historically been one of the few semi-reliable ways to escape generations of extreme poverty. If you’re raised in the hood and don’t want to fall into a gang, the military is often your only realistic option.
The entire system is designed to funnel poor kids into the military, because that’s the only way to sustain such a massive military industrial complex.
Here we go again with the “I’m poor so I’m going to cowardly murder defenseless brown people so I can get an education”.
Then stay in your own country and do crimes there.
Fuck them. And fuck the whitewashers.The military is such a large set of people that writing them off like this serves nobody but the ones who want them to become Nazis.
I love our troops. I could never be one. I hate what they do. But they are my fellow Americans. And they aren’t the oligarchs. So I’m with them.
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Lmao I’m an anarcho-syndicalist. And a pragmatist. Enjoy your beautiful island once you burn every bridge and cede every position to the actual enemies.
Agreed, nearly every major leftist political figure and thinker has talked about the importance of making the military turn their guns on the capitalists.
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I’m sorry for what was done to you, but he is not the enemy here. My country was bombed too.
So the military people that don’t kill brown people are okay then?
So you are terrible at reading comprehension then?
Wow is this the best you got? Embarrassing, sorry a marine ate your crayon.
yawn
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The military also has the most potential to stand up to the government.
Sweet summer child
The get suicided hotline
What does this random collection of words even mean? This is an English-language forum.
Fuck off
