• LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      4 months ago

      TBH Bernie pretty much said this and almost all AmeriKKKans think of him as a “leftist”, but I agree that he is also a liberal. The actual AmeriKKKan left is very small, and even then quite a few are this way (for example, many factions of the DSA).

      • Cruxifux@feddit.nlEnglish
        28·
        4 months ago

        Yeah I don’t really respect the political opinions of most Americans enough to label them as they self describe. Those of us in the rest of the world are still going to use the words that properly describe what the ideology is.

        • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
          26·
          4 months ago

          Based and anti-American pilled. However, chauvinism is absolutely real even in the actual American left. It just doesn’t manifest in the kind of “rules and norms” nonsense the meme is making fun of.

      • Cruxifux@feddit.nlEnglish
        24·
        4 months ago

        American leftists cannot imagine a world that isn’t totally dominated by capitalist imperialism or one that isn’t ruled by capitalist elites, where the wealth has been removed from these evils so they cannot exert control over the masses, so they wont even entertain the idea of “maybe everything doesn’t have to be done in the most evil fucking way possible.”

      • SmithrunHills [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
        16·
        4 months ago

        “people of Venezuela are happy for Venezuela” oh you mean the “people of Venezuela” in fucking Florida who are, very coincidentally, much more wealthy and much more reactionary than the actual Venezuelans living in their native country?

      • Krem [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        7·
        4 months ago

        Taiwan does have some cool history when it comes to resisting colonization efforts, like the Hakka shooting up the Japanese forces when they first landed in 1898 (and then getting murdered in retaliation unfortunately) (also the Hakka were themselves settlers or descendants of settlers, of course. “The history is complicated”)

        and the indigenous Seediq chopping off heads of Japanese occupation forces a couple of decades later (and then getting murdered in retaliation unfortunately)

        but for some reason I don’t expect that guy to know any of that. I may be wrong but I’m going to assume someone calling themselves Chicagofire, complaining about “sweeping generalization of americans” and using terms like “PRC” and “Formosa” is, in fact, a USian, and like most USians, know nothing of world history

  • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    10·
    4 months ago

    Even the analysis by much of the actual US left has been quite lacking around this imo. The primary line seems to be that this is bad because the actions of the US are imperialist and warmongering which is absolutely true, but it sort of just ends there. There seems to be a shying away from the actual specific conditions of Venezuela and it’s relationship to the US. Instead of solidarity for Venezuelan socialism the best the left here seems to muster is “we shouldn’t bomb you because that’s wrong for obscure reasons”. It just seems hollow and maybe even harder to build a long term movement around.

    • larrythecabalguy [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
      31·
      4 months ago

      There seems to be a shying away from the actual specific conditions of Venezuela and it’s relationship to the US.

      also imo, the relationship between the US & the actual imperial warmongerer state that still exists which canada is part of- even venezeula was once part of the british empire!

      e.g. look at epstein’s ties to the british royal family which colonial cuck nations like australia/canada will continue to ignore for as long as the UK tells them it’s ok to do so while cloutfarming from liberal americans who applaud them for #resisting the evil donald trump #nokings

      dead dove british royal family conspiracyposting, do not open

      charles I&IV, king of hungary, and direct lineage of the famously inbred happburg royal family, became presumptive heir of Franz Joseph and the austrian throne after his uncle, Franz Ferdinand, then arch duke of austria, was assassinated in 1914, an event that is considered a “pivotal” moment in initiating WWI.

      british confederate expansion began in australia/canada in the late 1890s/early 1900s, both countries have a very similar shared history and methodology of colonisation involving sterilization, stolen generations and attempts to “breed out” the indigenous race and catholic indoctrination schools

      the romanov family were descendents from the same family tree as the current british royal family- and DNA samples from prince philip (alleged nazi sympathiser husband of the now dead queen elizabeth ii & father to former-prince andrew) were used to “definitively” “prove” that princess anastasia was definitely dead after persisting claims of her survival

      the british royal family has had a long history of nazi ties, including papers from 1945 that detail a plan for the british empires cooperation with the nazi party (documentation that the UK “allegedly” tried to have covered up and erased from history)

      former-prince andrew’s apparent refusal to testify/cooperate in the epstein case (coupled with the fact that little st epstein island is part of the virgin islands, and, convenietly located right next to the british virgin islands, a british colony that is home to significant leaks involving international money laundering

      the “security concerns” that caused prince harry to move to the US were resolved recently. but some other prince harry highlights include:

      robert maxwell is alleged to have been a british/israeli spy & was also an early investor in israeli-owned teva pharmaceuticals (a company which produces opioids (more recently in the form of medical fentanyl for cancer pain). teva (like all Big Pharma ™ companies) has had many scandals, but specifically one where the CEO of apotex pharmaceuticals stole trade secrets from his girlfriend who happened to be the director of global regulations at Teva). barry sherman, the canadian founder of apotex & his wife were murdered in 2017 a few months after this case. teva was founded in the early 1900s and sold medicine to the british army occupying forces in palestine during WWII.

      justin trudeau was previously under investigation over him accepting allegedly illegal campaign donations from Apotex pharmaceuticals which could have ruled his eligibility to be prime minister invalid, but, this trial was dismissed after barry sherman was murdered. unrelated(?): justin trudeau is now dating katy perry (the singer, not this one)

      justin trudeau’s alleged assasination attempt resulting in diplomatic breakdown between canada/india (canada still under the british empire & india which was under the british empire until the end of WWII ).

      also robert maxwell’s media empire via the Daily Mirror and it’s heated rivalry with (australian) robert murdoch owned News Corp. the murdoch media empire also has a long history with the packer family. james packer was previously introduced to the church of scientology by tom cruise, then lived next door to netenyahu in israel but most recently decided to become trump’s neighbour last year moving to florida.

      james packer also founded RatPac entertainment alongside Brett Ratner with Gravity being their first film. brett ratner is known for the rush hour film series & is also the director of the upcoming Melania Trump biopic

      this doesn’t necessarily related to any of the above, but i think it’s also interesting so i’m mentioning it anyway while i’ve got my tinfoil hat on: did you know that the Wolf of Wall Street was co-produced by Red Granite pictures, a company that used allegedly embezzled malaysian government funds to produce it?

      (propaganda/educational bias disclaimer: i’m an australian who is now living in canada)

      like idk man, maybe the united states should annex enter a committed relationship with canada lol- the canadian dollar is only good for faciliating international money laundering thanks to legal loopholes created due to the fact it’s a technically separate country (despite the fact that ~75% of the population live within 100km (60 american freedom miles) of the US border. (e.g. see the whole ryan wedding thing & also the ongoing issues that border states have any time there’s any sort of environmental disaster).

  • Kiki@leminal.spaceEnglish
    7·
    4 months ago
    1. I get the sentiment here - that Westerners might have some blind spots about ideas of sovereignty, etc., but…
    2. Having lived in the “Global South” for so long and lived here in the West for a couple of years too, I’ve met leftists from both hemispheres (?). I can assure you that we are just as heterogeneous, compromised, sectarian, as you guys in the West lol. This is giving “noble savage” myth.
  • RondoRevolution [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    31·
    4 months ago

    Only true to some extend. There’s a ton more people with anti-imperialism sentiment than any western country, but there’s lots of libs and bootlickers too.

    I’ve already seen a bunch of venezuelan libs on bluesky and here in Brasil the rigmt wing, specially bolsonaristas, are celebrating and calling for the same to happen here, inclading a lot of politicians.

    • Saymaz@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      Why are we even talking about the libs? Libs are objectively rightwing regardless of the country.

      • RondoRevolution [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        Because there’s a ton of libs that actually tend to lean more to the left in latin america that opposes and condems the USian invade while also saying shit like agreeing Maduro is a dictator.

        As much as I also don’t see them as leftists, there is a clear difference between these libs and the ones that full on agree with the invasion.

        • Saymaz@lemmygrad.mlOPEnglish
          2·
          4 months ago

          A lib is a lib. A defender of the capitalist status quo. A leftist who claims to be ‘anti-capitalist’ but regurgitate the same imperialist propaganda from the largest capitalist government is a problem on the left.

          • RondoRevolution [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
            2·
            4 months ago

            That’s an oversimplification. Here in Brazil for example there are strands of workerism that have a lot of the same criticsms we have, fight in a lot of the same fights, but don’t take into account class and don’t want to overcome capitalism. They are still libs and as wrong as they are, they are considered left here and are much more left than the current government.