• Jaysyn@lemmy.world
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    EDIT: Kidnapping. The word you’re ignoring in the title is kidnapping.

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        Funny how they are careful with words when they were literally on international water.

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          I feel like indie news is more important than ever, even if it means hand-cranked mimeos and passing them from person to person. Telecom can be cut at any time.

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      When the UN doesn’t stop the Israeli’s from declaring it a conflict zone. It’s technically not kidnapping. Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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        No. They never entered anywhere Israel is legally allowed to exclude even in war It being full of aid and verifiable non combatants.

        It’s kidnapping.

        Just like how the US abducted people in Iraq and Afghanistan.

        Your example is also kidnapping but even excluding that bit of nuance the key word is “in” they never entered territorial waters and thus were never “in” Israel or Palestine. Israel can declare 1500mi of the coast of Somalia an exclusion zone then kidnap people there and that would make just as much sense in a legal view.

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          Gaza is under a declared blockade, Maritime Law (the oldest of international law) allows detaining any ship bound for a blockaded port. It’s really cut and dry, they very publicly declared they were bound for a blockaded port. It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area, these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

          International law is an agreement between nations and doesn’t actually restrict nations from doing things that will hurt your feelings. You’re going down the sovcit path when you pretend international law is whatever you want it to be.

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            It’s not like Israel boarded a ship that just happened to be in the area,

            That’s exactly what happened, blockade borders have to be announced and ships have to be allowed time to leave the area. Israel left their blockade and kidnapped people aboard a ship they did not allow to leave an area they weren’t in.

            these freedom flotilla yahoos very publicly declared they were bound for Gaza, which under Maritime Law permits Israel to board it.

            Once they breach the blockade yes arguably though with only aid that gets more complex. Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful. That could mean Israel could board and search, or doesn’t mean they can blockade all aid to starve a population which is specifically and in multiple very very illegal.

            https://casebook.icrc.org/a_to_z/glossary/blockade

            Their sources section is awash with good relevant information and specifically findings on the last Israeli famous Israeli blockade and subsequent boarding (and death of iirc 9) which was found to be a legal blockade so long as the purpose was not starvation and aid could enter with security arrangements.

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              An operation involving naval and air forces by which a belligerent completely prevents movement by sea from or to a port or coast belonging to or occupied by an enemy belligerent. To be mandatory, that is, for third States to be obliged to respect it, the blockade must be effective. This means that it must be maintained by a force sufficient to prevent all access to the enemy coast.

              So… according to the link you’ve provided Israel is actually required to board the ship or they can no longer prevent shipments of weapons coming from Iran?

              Essentially aid entry is allowed so long as you agree to security arrangements that are both reasonable and lawful.

              Has there been any indication these flotilla activists attempted to make such security arrangements with Israel?

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                Correct to an extent, the accepted meaning is that they must agree to security measures to pass through. It is not and never has been a way to willfully prevent aid and aide staff into combat zones.

                They weren’t in a blockaded zone as far as I’m aware, Israel only says they were approaching and providing intented destination as you must when attempting to pass through a blockade.

                Even ignoring that they must be allowed to leave even if they enter the blockaded area without permission, it isn’t a seize your property and imprison your crew for being in the general area openly providing intent kinda thing.

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      Yeah it’s real typical for kidnappings to be publicly known, announced in advance and then the victim safetly returned promptly, entirely unharmed. Im sure you can fram it as a kidnapping with some backflips, but you just look like a whiny child. She was captured and held unlawfully sure, but if it was actually for humanitarian aid and not self publicity, i might have some sympathy.

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        So if somali pirates would just take the ship and send the crew back home it would all be good?

        You’re having an interesting opinion here.

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        Can’t really agree with you on this one. I would welcome and fight for more people doing the right thing for personal benefit. Seems a lot better than the current circumstances.

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        Israel does not feel a need to hide their crimes because they believe any action they take is righteous because they are doing it and any action their enemies take is evil because they are doing it

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    She could do the funniest thing now and get on the next humanitarian boat back.

    Edit: me do grammar poorly

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      She already said that she’d do just that. Let’s see how fast they’ll let her leave next time. If at all.

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        They will let her leave. Not letting her leave would be more of a problem for them and probably what she wants.

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          I dunno. If you can get away with murdering civilians, children, aid workers and journalists. Maybe you want to start testing if you can get away with murdering celebrities.

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            Nah. That’s when people care. They’ll put her in a golden prison and use her to look good after they free her.

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        Cute idea. But unfortunately not practical. For something as valuable/kg as cocaine, you can go to the trouble of using a narco sub. But there’s zero chance such a sub could practically carry cheap bulky goods like flour, rice, etc.

        You might be able to use them to smuggle in medicines though.

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          So then don’t carry flour and rice, go with pemmican or something similar, high protein, high caloric, high density food.

          A brick of pemmican is better than nothing, which is what they currently have.

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          there was one in 2010 where the bomb and killed people

          Six civilian ships of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla were raided by Israel on 31 May 2010 in international waters in the Mediterranean Sea. Nine of the flotilla passengers were killed during the raid, with thirty wounded (including one who later died of his wounds).[1][2] Ten Israeli soldiers were wounded, one seriously. The exact sequence of events is contested, in part due to the IDF’s confiscation of the passengers’ photographic evidence.[3] The flotilla, organized by the Free Gaza Movement and the Turkish Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (İHH), was carrying humanitarian aid and construction materials, intending to break the Israeli naval blockade of the Gaza Strip.

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    Adalah, an Israel-based non-governmental legal organization that is representing some of the activists, said that those who remain are being held in Givon Prison in Ramleh, central Israel.

    So grab the passengers of a boat in international wares and jail them in Israel. 😒

    In a statement to CNN, Israel said that it “is preventing the entry of all vessels into the Gaza Strip, in accordance with international law.”

    Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?

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      The ship was nowhere near Gaza. They were off the coast of Egypt in International waters. Israel just kidnapped a bunch of people. Also they only released Greta? What about the other people?

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      Is there a charitable interpretation that could make this statement true?

      Since Gaza is an open air prison under the control of Israel and not recognized as an independent state we can blockade it all we want.

      Best I got.

      Really hard to justify genocide.

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        Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.

        Like claiming a certain religious group has no human rights bc they’re not recognized as humans.

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          Palestine is not a recognized country in most of the western world, which in itself is a travesty, but you can probably infer a lot of bs from that.

          That’s not even true.

          As of March 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 147 of the 193 member states of the United Nations, or just over 75% of all UN members. It has been a non-member observer state of the United Nations General Assembly since November 2012.

          75% of the world recognizes Palestine as a sovereign state.

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            To be fair, they specified “western world”. If you look at the map of countries that recognize Palestine, it’s pretty glaring that a good chunk of Europe, Canada/US, and Australia/NZ don’t officially recognize it.

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      They declared war, they are allowed to enct vlockades according to international law.

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        They declared war? So they recognize a Palestinian state and Gaza as part of that states territory? They recognize Hamas as the government of Gaza?

        Meanwhile the ICJ ruled that the blockade of Gaza amounts to a de facto occupation, well before Oct. 7. Furthermore the ICJ ruled that this occupation is illegal. So Israel is obliged to end the occupation, including the blockade as well as having the obligation to provide for the people under its occupation. An obligation which Israel also violates by the blockade.

        On top of that there has been multiple rulings of preliminary measures Israel has to take to prevent the risk of a genocide being committed against the Palestinian people. The key obligation again being unhindered access for humanitarian aid.

        Nothing of what Israel is doing is legal by international law.

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      Wait… are we framing her as a kidnapped child or a POW? Gotta make sure everyone is on the same page when making propaganda about this.

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        She’s defintely an adult. But yeah apprehended in international waters, taken to a country that she didn’t chose to enter willingly, and then deported.

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      Elated to be wrong. You see, that is how being an adult works. Sometimes you are wrong, and when you are wrong about something with a positive outcome, you are happy that you were wrong.

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        but also, spending energy on prevention (the publicity) and then when the thing doesn’t occur saying “i guess we were wrong” is the wrong take i think

        same thing with Y2K and plenty of engineering things: people were saying “it was no big deal! yall were saying planes were going to fall out of the sky! we wasted so much time and money!”… yeah; it was a huge and expensive effort that’s why the bad things didn’t happen

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      Public attention from them and others is why she’s being gently handled. You should thank those who raised the alarm on her behalf, not Israel.

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      Ooh check out the genocide apologist, making a super strong argument about how just and honorable Israel is. So intelligent and brave! You should get a sticker from Bibi to put on your shirt.